7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Lasoor][quote]Pretending that watching high elo players play qualifies you to give high level of play opinions[/quote] That never happened, but continue. [quote]because you somehow became enlightened on how Warwick is supposed to be played[/quote] I mean I main [[Warwick]] and have since Season 5. My high elo brother was a [[Warwick]] main since Season 1 and taught me everything about how to play and build him. So ya I'd say I'm pretty enlightened on how to play [[Warwick]]. [quote]Bronze players aren't in Bronze due to chance or coincidence, they aren't just misunderstood challenger players who somehow got unlucky.[/quote] Never said they were. If you're referring to me being Bronze well you're mistaken. I consider myself Gold skill level and am better than all my Gold friends and they even come to me for advice on things. Season 6 I did nothing but placements and it put me at Silver IV where I consistently was stomping Silver players in normals like they're nothing all the way up to now. No idea why it placed me in Bronze 3 this time around, but I got up to Bronze 1 insanely fast. Simply don't feel like playing ranked much atm because I mostly play League with friends and don't like playing ranked with them because they throw games. [quote]I've literally won three consecutive AP Ashe games in bronze 5 and witnessed firsthand the level of lack of awareness (be it map, damage involved, cooldowns, items, levels, power spikes) and overall skill involved.[/quote] Well ya Bronze V is garbage. This is a well known fact. I don't know why you'd want to play AP Ashe though, that's just strange. [quote]They're players with clear room for improvement, and if you want to stand there stroking yourself and saying "I'm good" I don't know if any of us cares at this point.[/quote] This conversation wasn't about who is good or bad. It was a debate about facts that you feel should be made about skill because that's all you have. You don't have an argument so you fall back on elitism. You don't know me, you haven't seen me play, and you don't know how much I know about the game. You are just assuming I'm bad because I don't play Ranked as much as you. And to be entirely honest I'm more inclined to take advice from Riot employees, the vast majority of high elo people saying what I'm saying, Trick2g, Redmercy, and Nightblue3 than you. Sorry.[/quote]

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[quote=Mooninites][quote] I mean I main Warwick and have since Season 5. My high elo brother was a Warwick main since Season 1 and taught me everything about how to play and build him. So ya I'd say I'm pretty enlightened on how to play Warwick. [/quote] You're bronze 1, you're not enlightened on anything. [quote] I consider myself Gold skill level and am better than all my Gold friends and they even come to me for advice on things. Season 6 I did nothing but placements and it put me at Silver IV where I consistently was stomping Silver players in normals like they're nothing all the way up to now. No idea why it placed me in Bronze 3 this time around, but I got up to Bronze 1 insanely fast. Simply don't feel like playing ranked much atm because I mostly play League with friends and don't like playing ranked with them because they throw games. [/quote] If you consider yourself "gold skill level" then prove it by getting gold. You've played over 100 games in ranked and your still in bronze, that's a pretty solid indication that you are bronze skill level.[/quote]

[quote=Lasoor][quote]You're bronze 1, you're not enlightened on anything.[/quote] Again with the stereotyping. You can't make the claim that someone's rank matters if they don't go through the process of increasing their rank. I am not stuck in bronze, bronze is easy. I just don't play Ranked a lot. When I do play it I win. And to make the claim that I don't understand [[Warwick]] is absurd. If you read my guide on [[Warwick]] you'd see just how much I understand him. [quote] If you consider yourself "gold skill level" then prove it by getting gold. You've played over 100 games in ranked and your still in bronze, that's a pretty solid indication that you are bronze skill level.[/quote] I will be getting Gold. I simply took a short break from ranked. And I have not played over 100 games in ranked. I play normals all the time and only played around 200 - 300 games in normals. I almost never play Ranked so I know I have not played 100 games in Ranked. This season I have only played 46 games in ranked and 10 of those were placements. I played 20 games on [[Warwick]] with a win rate of 85%, 12 games on [[Aatrox]], 6 games on [[Yorick]], 3 games on [[Taric]], 3 games on [[Nocturne]], and 2 games on [[Pantheon]]. By end of Season 6 I had played total of 15 I believe and 10 of those were placements. I ended in Silver IV where I started. And that was when I learned my friends aren't good in ranked because I lost almost all my games even in placements playing with them yet by myself I won almost all my games. If you look at my ranked history you'll see a lot of wins, a high win rate. I am in no way stuck in bronze. I have never had issues gaining LP in ranked. My recent win rate in Ranked is 70% and that's including champions or roles I didn't want to play and even includes 4 games that my team had a DCer. https://gyazo.com/d735632f7d9f46a54769797ba263ed79 Once again you are making this a debate about skill to distract from fact that you can't come up with an argument to dispute my points.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The only way to counter Rengar atm is with a protect the XYZ comp which essentially makes Rengar useless if he can't get rolling hard early. Ivern in particular is very strong for that. Without being a coordinated team tho, don't bother.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox][quote=Lasoor][quote]You're bronze 1, you're not enlightened on anything.[/quote] Again with the stereotyping. You can't make the claim that someone's rank matters if they don't go through the process of increasing their rank. I am not stuck in bronze, bronze is easy. I just don't play Ranked a lot. When I do play it I win. And to make the claim that I don't understand [[Warwick]] is absurd. If you read my guide on [[Warwick]] you'd see just how much I understand him. [/quote] actually you can. Bronze is the lowest ranked tier = filled with the WORST players. There's no arguing about that. It's a fact. If you're bronze you're either mechanically impaired, have the knowledge of a 10 year old or a mixture of both -- that's what most players in bronze are like. If you're not that, prove it and get to a higher tier. Shouldn't be a problem since you're playing such a broken champ and have such high level understanding of him, right? Also this brilliant piece is from your guide: [img=http://i.imgur.com/jI2fleu.png] after looking at runes and masteries I didn't even bother reading further - I already know it's going to be filled with bs information like the one you've been spreading in this thread. You're either a troll or bad as fuck at this game and also delusional on top of it. Either way stop posting trash thanks my guy[/quote]

[quote=Lasoor][quote]actually you can. Bronze is the lowest ranked tier = filled with the WORST players. There's no arguing about that. It's a fact. If you're bronze you're either mechanically impaired, have the knowledge of a 10 year old or a mixture of both -- that's what most players in bronze are like. If you're not that, prove it and get to a higher tier. Shouldn't be a problem since you're playing such a broken champ and have such high level understanding of him, right? [/quote] Actually you can't. A large majority of Bronze and Unranked players simply don't play ranked, like me and that is why they remain a low elo. To claim someone who doesn't play ranked is stuck in bronze is absurd and illogical. And I have no problem getting out of bronze, I was Silver last season and this season I have easily been winning most of my games. I don't even see how anyone could be stuck in bronze. [quote]after looking at runes and masteries I didn't even bother reading further - I already know it's going to be filled with bs information like the one you've been spreading in this thread. You're either a troll or bad as fuck at this game and also delusional on top of it. Either way stop posting trash thanks my guy[/quote] You're very delusional if you think my Runes and Masteries are wrong. My guide goes into great detail on why they are optimal. You have got to be the worst debater in history. Like seriously, all you're doing is saying "You're bad" basically without actually explaining your way of thinking. You can't even tell me why you'd take Fervor over Courage on [[Warwick]] because you don't even know what you're talking about. Again, unlike you, I can easily go into great detail on why one is better than the other and my guide is proof of that however I am not entirely sure about Courage since the nerf on it and may be switching back to Grasp of the Undying or even using Thunderlord's or Stormraider's Surge. And if you are referring to the fact that I showed the path to Stormraider's and Courage, that's simply because either work on [[Warwick]] and my guide has a masteries section explaining it all. That was my first guide I made and to me it made way more sense to show all the items and builds on one page so no one gets confused when looking at it.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]i can play ad soraka and climb from bronze to gold i can make a guide and post theories about how it's actually not bad because of reasoning like you can heal your laner does that make it good? no any anecdotal evidence or information gained from experiences in a suboptimal gameplay setting is utterly useless. bronzies ban blitzcrank, think yasuo is op, and do a ton of other shit that just doesn't work in higher elos lmao like seriously just take a look at pro play right now. lcs, lck, lpl, lms, etc are going on right now. most of the pick / ban priorities line up exactly with the tier list here. none of the priorities line up with anything you just said. do you think all pro teams just have no idea wtf is going on or that you have a secret champion pool that no one else has figured out or some shit? at some point you have to realize that when all the best professional players, coaches, and analysts are playing things you don't agree with that perhaps there's something you, not everyone else in the world, are missing[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]As long as UoL is around, you can never say which things work in pro play and which not tho. Who knows which specific counter comp they have next time :D. One example: Rumble in the jungle.[/quote]

[quote=Lasoor]Pro play is completely different than ranked play. Champions like [[Warwick]] don't really offer a lot for team coordination. He is a solo queue pick. Everything I am saying is irrelevant to pro play and relevant to Ranked play. And for the record, the only reason Miss Fortune support was done in pro play is because of specific team comp, specific strategy, and because it specifically countered what it was up against. It was a specific pick and the general consensus across high elo is that it is generally bad. The general consensus in high elo is against most of what this list says. Yes, high elo, the place you people keep saying is full of experienced people.[/quote]