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H4x do you still think MF is trash cuz I think her new build is kinda decent and lethality is supposed to get buffed next patch
i don't think shes very good as an ad carry, no. i think shes a pretty good support though.
when it comes down to it, MF is a lane bully adc that becomes an ult bot in teamfights, but she doesn't bully lane more than other ADs enough to make up for her shortcomings. (especially because being an immobile ADC at the moment just means you get camped, and she doesnt even have CC like jhin/ashe/varus do to make up for it if she falls behind).
she's better off at support, where she can still be a lane bully that transitions into an ult bot.
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List updated for the week. Changelog below:
Top:
Camille moved to top of tier 1.
Poppy moved to tier 2.
Swain moved down in tier 2.
Nautilus moved up in tier 2.
Jungle:
Rek'Sai moved to tier 2.
Kha'Zix moved up in tier 2.
Mid:
Taliyah moved up in tier 2.
Bot:
Ashe and
Varus moved to tier 1.
Ezreal moved to tier 2.
Caitlyn moved down in tier 1.
Kalista moved to tier 2.
Support:
Karma and
Nami moved to tier 2.
Malzahar and
Miss Fortune moved to tier 1.
Tahm Kench and
Taric moved up in tier 2.
Top:
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Mid:
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Bot:
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Would it not be clearer to present your list as Rengar being God Tier, while the likes of Elise, Kha, Rek'Sai, Lee, Heca, Vi etc being Tier 1 for example. Or is Rengar really the ONLY Tier 1 Jungler right now in your opinion?
I can't take back the words I never said
Pretty strange seeing
Warwick as Tier 4 for jungle when
Warwick can out jungle almost every jungle champion in every aspect of jungling except ganking and even has more gank power than most junglers once he hits level 6.
Warwick is probably the best jungle pick for low elo as well because he is able to easily turn a game around as soon as he hits his late game. So if you are losing a game because of your team you can easily turn it around just because
Warwick can tank the entire enemy team long enough for his teammates to finish them.
Also noticed
Nocturne set at tier 3 when he is really strong right now and can do ganks really early. Honestly he feels broken because how strong he is.
Rengar might have lots of burst, but if you build
Nocturne full damage it looks like he 1 shots people every time he ults on them. He also can easily escape or stay in and kill every other enemy around him because unlike
Rengar he is basic attack based not ability based. He snowballs easily. Another great thing about
Nocturne is that once he hits level 4 he wins nearly any 1v1. There's only a few jungle champions who would be expected to win a 1v1 against
Nocturne and a skilled
Nocturne player can beat them too.
Lee Sin is one of them, but it takes being good with
Lee Sin and he can't win the face off consistently unless he builds full damage.
Then you have
Yorick at Tier 3 for top laners yet he can beat all your Tier 1 top laners and most of your Tier 2 top laners and is also one of the best team fighters and split pushers currently. Like I play a lot of
Yorick and it would be hard for me to think of a match up he wouldn't win other than
Darius who he can often tie with if the player is good. He'd lose vs a
Xin Zhao potentially but could out play one and he also ties
Tryndamere. Other than that he wins basically any match up or at least gives the player an advantage. Honestly I think this is just inaccurate overall for most of the champions.
Like you got
Ashe as Tier 1 adc yet put
Vayne,
Twitch, and
Ezreal as Tier 2 yet those are currently better adcs than
Ashe because of their strong early game and their mobility abilities to avoid ganks. And you got
Kalista Tier 2 yet she is weak right now and certainly weaker than
Lucian,
Draven, and
Tristana whom you put in Tier 3.
And you put
Miss Fortune support as Tier 1....
Miss Fortune support is so easily countered and the only time it is viable is when the enemy has a squishy ranged support. If the enemy picks a tank support and anything with strong gap closing then
Miss Fortune is useless and she certainly can't peel for the adc. I'd take a
Pantheon support over a
Miss Fortune support in nearly every match up because he has way more supporting capability and killing capability. Yet you put him Tier 4.
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Elusive Ferret wrote:
Would it not be clearer to present your list as Rengar being God Tier, while the likes of Elise, Kha, Rek'Sai, Lee, Heca, Vi etc being Tier 1 for example. Or is Rengar really the ONLY Tier 1 Jungler right now in your opinion?
@ Elusive Fer... It's really murky. I don't think any jungler has a good matchup into rengar, so hes the only tier 1 in the sense that if rengar is available, there is no real reason to pick any other jungler. It basically came down to whether I wanted to put 5 champs in t1, or just toss them into t2 and keep rengar t1, and I just felt that putting rengar alone better illustrated just how strong he is. Hecarim and vi are not on the same level as elise/kha/reksai/lee.
@ Lasoor Yikes.
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Tank supports don't beat ranged supports in lane. That only happens at low MMR. Sorry. There's a reason why everybody picks ranged supports now... and would you look at that... that's exactly what MF support dumpsters.
And please tell me what these "easy counterpicks" for
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