Ziggs Build Guide : Ziggs Support & Bot - Shooting Guard on the Wreckers

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Love the build, but I feel like I don't do much damage with my Bouncing Bombs when I max W first. I hit lots of solid bouncing bombs on their support/marksman but I don't feel it's enough to push them out of the lane. I'd love it if you could add a video to the build. :)

I prefer the AP Ziggs bot with Sorcery as the main and Resolve as the second (and I only go support). I've had much more success doing it this way then maxing my Q first and W second.

Love the guide! :)

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Thanks for liking the guide! And to answer your question, my style of play is more about pushing them under tower more than poking them out of lane. Also I haven't yet added it in the guide but I am now maxing W second on the support build.

TBH I have been on somewhat of a "League Break" but I will refresh the guide to 9.4 and do more for 9.5 coming soon. Due to lack of good quality recording, I don't have any good videos for this guide atm.

Thanks so much for your kind reply! I hope you will like the content I will bring in the future.

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Hi Rasta Da Masta,
I stumbled across your guide today and not gonna lie i do like some stuff.

I do wonder, you never really explain why you would play ? Why should i or anyone else play over other champions? What can he bring to the role that will outmatch other choices?

You never really explain why you would go over other summoner spells, it seems like a really odd choice and even though you are really weak and vulnerable especially when you don't have ready whenever you need the time to be able to escape a tricky situation, i would rather suggest going or instead, as it both helps your with kiting especially if you are going but it can also open up a chance to save the or yourself if you have . Of course going boosts your own kiting power which is a good thing, but besides that the spell doesn't really have much use.

I wouldn't really put in the D-tier laners, more or less in the C-tier if not B-tier, yeah sure he doesn't have the best capabilities to shred turrets but together with his late game powerspike he can be way more dangerous then you would think.

Otherwise good looking guide. +1

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Thank you very much for your comment. It really means a lot! You have a bunch of questions so I will answer them in the order you had. Most of the answers are directly from parts of the guide so I will reference them too.

EDIT: It's 4AM and I'm exhausted from coding two guides for 5 hours :'( I will reply back later today.

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Thank you very much for your comment. It really means a lot! You have a bunch of questions so I will answer them in the order you had. Most of the answers are directly from parts of the guide so I will reference them too.

First, I explained in the "What Is Ziggs Support?" chapter a brief description of the functionality of this unique style of play. I've condensed the rest in a spoiler. TLDR? Ziggs is good for taking towers, clearing waves & applying CC.

What does Ziggs Support do?

Second, I explained my reasoning for Ghost in the "Summoner Spells" chapter. Here's a more in-depth explanation:

Why I take Ghost on Ziggs Support?

Third, I will agree with some of what you said about Twitch. Based on statistics from API data gathered by Mobalytics, Twitch as an individual is making a big surprising resurgence in the metagame for Season 9. It's only a matter of months before he comes back into contention for God-Tier status. But as for his laning phase with Ziggs, the synergy isn't there. Here's why:

Why Twitch is among the low tier synergies

I hope this clarified some of the questions you had. If you have anymore, please let me know & I can answer as best as I can.

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Hey Rasta Da Masta,
first of all, let me say that I really like your guide and value the time you've dedicated for it. I know that creating and updating a guide can be extremely time-consuming.
I noticed that you're explaining in the summoner spells section twice. Maybe you could add the two paragraphs together and add some more pictures of . These could be fanarts, Skin Splashes or other things - even videos of skill sequences or ability explanations.
However, I love that your guide is so extremely in depth that I can't think of anything else you could possibly add. I think especially your gameplay section stands out because it's very well-written and focuses on so many important details.

Keep up your amazing work! :)

Wicked Cherry.

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Thank you so very much for the really nice comment!

I first got the idea for Ziggs Support back in mid season 6 when they introduced the tower mechanic on his W. And I've been playing Ziggs Support since Season 7 right before they changed the runes. And as the metagames keep changing every few months, Ziggs has slightly been getting better overall as a champion in Mid, Bot and Support!

I'm waiting for Patch 9.1 to do all of the serious editing once I get some time to do it. With a lot of IRL stuff going on, I've only been able to do tweaks & fixes.

Again thank you so very much for replying! I wanted to make an achievement for myself as being the first and only writer of "The Most In-Depth Comprehensive Ziggs Support Guide You Will Ever Find!" I also added in those extra tips & tricks that every Ziggs player should know like not needing a minion wave to execute a tower at the percentage range.

I will keep up my work and improve more for Season 9. Thanks a lot!

Rasta Da Masta (AKA Rasta Phil).

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Quoted:

I wanted to make an achievement for myself as being the first and only writer of "The Most In-Depth Comprehensive Ziggs Support Guide You Will Ever Find!"

Haha, I'm pretty sure you're either in the very top group of that list if not the best already.
I'm not really a player but I enjoy playing him once in a while and I really know that as main he can be super duper annoying - mostly because once you feel save, you'd still have to be afraid (and prepared) to from his which would still probably be your death sentence if placed well.

Anyway, I'm kinda thrilled to see your Season 9 changes. x]
See ya!

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Great detailed guide. As I started LOL on ziggs I love to play him. I particularly enjoyed your description about damage value based on the gold budget you have and getting the best bang for your buck in game as far as maxing damage but keeping some great passives for the ziggs style of play compared to like a brand and champs like that. Great explanation.

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Thanks a lot for the nice comment! Tower destruction is what makes Ziggs unique from other mages. Since I knew other champions like the Brand, Zyra, Vel'Koz, Sona, Karma, Nami, etc can outdamage Ziggs in lane, I didn't focus on champion damage. Pushing waves and chipping towers is a more reliable and team-centric method of playing the game with macro management being a very strong skillset.

Also, I have read about some interesting tower mechanics for Preseason as well as rune changes. Looks exciting!

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Yes the extended lane phases might make ziggs more useful

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it was great

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JUst wattch your vid on tower damage and I really had not know half of the info. SO thanks would recommend everyone watch this viedo .. LOL bout to go jump on now and play whish me luck .

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Yeah the video was made by IcyPhoenix many months ago near the start of Season 8. A lot of the content is still relevant though.

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"You absolutely should not be getting hit. Ziggs has that 3-point range while other standard supports can only dunk or layup or shoot free throws. That means damage is very likely to be avoidable. Be aggressive with pushing and poking. The idea here is to never take a hit to get off a hit. Make the lane as one-sided as possible."

THanks this was the most helpful tip honestly...

them videos tho

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yeah no problem, thank you actually lol

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Hey just thought you deserved a big THANK YOU because this guide taught me so much and I feel like I evolved as a player with ziggs lol. Really though very good guide so in depth with useful info. SO ya thanks xD

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And I thank you so very much for your comments! And to reference your other comment, that is a mentality of how to play any artillery champion. Along with Ziggs, this is how I will play as Vel'Koz, Lux, Xerath, Jayce, Varus, etc.

I'm so glad you liked this guide!

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Is there a situation where Ionian Boots of Lucidity is better than Sorcerer's Shoes, or is that Magic Penetration just always better than the 10% ability and summoner spell cooldown?

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Thank you so much for commenting! I really appreciate your question! Yes magic penetration is very important for dealing damage to towers, enemy champions, minions & some jungle monsters. Since towers have 55 MR and your Sorcs give you 18 pen, you are dealing with 37-42 MR on a tower in the early game.

The reason why Sorcerer's Shoes are more valuable than Ionian Boots of Lucidity is because IBoL only gives you 20 AP from Transcendence when you hit lv 10 and you have 30% CDR from other items (Support item, Sheen, Blue buff, Kindlegem, etc.). The 18 magic penetration from boots is immediate on purchase and doesn't require a wait time. And by the time you would get the 20 AP from Transcendence, the outer towers would scale up to about 65-70 MR.

Another point I need to make is that Inner towers start at 55 armor & magic resistance. They start ramp up over time at 16 minutes and cap at 70 resistances at 30 minutes. Inhibitor & Nexus towers start at 55 as well. But they don't start increasing until the 31 minute mark & hit the 70 cap at 45 minutes. Because of the nature of Zigg's kit being very effective against towers, you are able to blow up towers fairly easily before they ramp up. This becomes easier with more magic penetration. For more information about how towers work, you can read the wikia page for Turrets or watch the first video I have linked on the guide.

I mentioned in the guide that Ziggs is not very reliant on having sums to perform his jobs. You aren't playing a champion that requires Flash to function optimally like Alistar, Thresh, Rakan, etc. So having a lower Flash cooldown won't improve your functionality. And to be honest if I didn't need flash to escape out of all-in dives in the bot lane, I would just run Ghost/TP or Ghost/Cleanse.

Thanks again for your question about the shoes. I will probably put what I covered in this comment somewhere in the guide when I edit it again in a few weeks for patch 8.19.

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Great breakdown, cool to see the math behind things.

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Hey, I wanted to ask you about this particular build

I really like Ziggs conceptually, as I've always really liked characters that make use of big booms to get the job done, but I usually play Support. I was wondering how effective this build has been for you, and how well Ziggs support has worked for you.

I've played Brand, Vel'Koz, and Xerath as support, and people don't seem to bat an eye with them, despite them being extremely focused on damage with arguably less utility than Ziggs (barring, Brand), but I get the feeling that people will think I'm trolling if I tried to play Ziggs support in a ranked game

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Thank you so much for the comment!

I have to admit that as of late, there has been a lack of "consistency" with my play on Ziggs Support. And if I were to rate Ziggs in a tier list for support, he would probably be in B tier.

His significance in a team is similar to that of 3 Mountain Dragons. What I mean by that is if your team isn't ahead and can't siege towers, he doesn't have a lot of usefulness as far as dealing damage (compared to other AP supports), peeling for teammates, and defending sieges.

I haven't played much Ziggs in ranked since most of the time I can't find a good team composition or duo partner. Also, since a part of the build changes just about every patch, I just haven't been able to get to that "Consistency Comfort Zone" yet.

People will think you are "Trolling" if you play any champion & perform poorly. And with this "All or Nothing" style, it can feel like everyone hates you if things don't go well. I don't let people's words or thoughts affect me and I try to focus on my gameplay.

I played one rank game with Ziggs Support. It was my first game that day so I didn't warm up well and went 0/8/10. My team still won the game since the top half of our map got fed. Even though I was 0/3/4 since their jungler camped bot, I still managed to help my team snowball by pushing waves and taking towers and denying enemy vision to setup picks for my team.

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So really, as long as you at least get the "support" part down by keeping an eye on vision and trying to help your team get a kill when you can, you can still manage a win?

And I assume that means you'll have a much easier time when you're performing well and can get bot for your team as well as doing the regular support stuff...

Well that's pretty neat, thanks for answering! Any general advice before I start stealing turrets?

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Sorry for the delay on the reply. Surviving and staying alive is what I try to emphasize on. That goes for any champion in the support role. Trying to not get picked off or caught out of position is always a challenge for me in every game I play. Sometimes you can't help that depending on the enemy champions if they have "Zero Counterplay Mobility" and they 5-Man dive bot lane.

Also, I'm currently trying to update the guide for the variety of champions in the bottom lane. I don't have very accurate testing data since I haven't played Ziggs in lane with Yasuo, Vladimir, Brand, etc.

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nice guide for ziggz the spammer of Q hhhh, thank you brother.

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Thank you for the comment! This guide has been a longtime ongoing work in progress. And I think Nasus using Essence Reaver during his ult is the god of Q spam. :)

Ziggs Support & Bot - Shooting Guard on the Wreckers

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