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hi, i noticed for your guide you don't have neeko listed as a threat/synergy? i have my own guide where i listed liss, although it's for midlane, but nonetheless i was wondering what your opinion on that would be :)?

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hey hey,

the reason for that is my own stupidity: I forgot to add her lmao. Like I think I once forgot to post my thoughts on Renata beacause I havent seen her in a while lol

Im a bit pressed for time right now but Ill share my detailed thoughts tonight and will give you a headsup via a DM later. Thanks for the heads-up!

Update: Updated :p

I really enjoyt your build but i am **** at playing her XD

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I'd argue I am still **** at her to this day :p

Luckily, you don't need any mechanical knowledge to play her (most skill expression she has is timing lol) and a sizable amount of patience. Liss isn't really an active character (but still has capabilities to do so!), so if you treat her as such, you'll have a good time

If you want I can take a look at how you play her and help you out :)

Hello,
Once again Great build, but I noticed that you have no recommendation on or . Ive been running these exclusively instead of as it greatly increases kill potential in lane. works better with extended trades and poke, while is great for bursting when you have a burst ADC dealing a whopping 20-80 true damage. You do sacrifice some ult cool down so its probably not ideal for late game, but certainly a great option for early game. Just wanted to share.

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A short followup: I've been testing it recently and yeah, I can attend that does feel quite nice with the right ADC. I'm writing a short segment about that after finishing this comment. Thanks yet again for the suggestion :)

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Hey, thanks for the comment!
I get and agree to the sentiment that / should be included and for more aggressive, early-mid focused players.
I personally don't value kill pressure in the early that much as I am more defensive focused and would rather that the enemy make a mistake. My philosophy as to why I think that you can see in chapter 1.2 in combination to me primarily going over ; I mainly go for recommended runepages 2 and 3.

Essentially, I think 's early game is not that good and her Q is too telegraphed, detrimental and expensive for lane to make spamming it worth. I suppose because of that one could argue that increasing the value with or increasing general damage output once a fight happens with can be made and as previously said by me and mentioned by you, if you have the correct ADC and mindset it can do wonders. It just isn't my personal cup of tea.

About the exchange: Due to me mostly picking runepages 2 and 3, I quite frequently don't have UH in my runes. From experience, I can say that it doesn't usually make that big of a difference for me. That doesn't mean it doesn't make one tho! Saving aruond 15-25s per cast can make a difference when fights are frequent. I do have to mention that most of my experience is around emerald/diamond, so it might be better for lower elos. I suppose, for Domination, the choice then boils down to the 3 runes you mentioned. But here again, personal preference.

And besides all of this, I don't consider to be a good burst mage, so I'm not at all going to pretend that this didn't influence me never trying and lmao

I suppose, with the changed , I can give it a try. It would still work out with my W first max and not play into Q spam. Though I would personally rather put an emphasis on 20-50 damage for lane as etting levels for a support is already difficult enough. 80 true damage can mean a bit in the late game, but this also implies you got to level 18 as a support

Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Hi MorePierogiVanya. I hope you are doing well with your uni. I really liked your guide and I wanted to ask you since you prefer tank Liss to mage Liss, how do you feel about building Locket Of The Iron Solari, Frozen Heart and Warmog´s Armor. I'm a sup/tank main and I always build (or try to build) them.

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Hey Shurawolf,
uni is doing alright, although it has started again so the stress is coming back to me. I will still get to the new items once preseasons is around, so if that was a concern of yours, no need to worry :p

About :
While you would think that with my defensive nature I am a fan of locket, I actually dislike it. Dislike is propably a bad way of putting it, more "I don't feel like I have a ton of impact". However, I have built it from time to time (around 1/100 games) whenever I knew that we had plenty of damage but we needed just a bit more tankiness or the enemy had too much damage my team needed to survive just a bit more. Remember, assuming your supp item has been finished, you will give 5 armour and MR to your teammates.
As a mathematical example:
55/(100+55) = 35% damage reduction
60/(100+60) = 37,5% damage reduction.
68/168 = 40% damage reduction
The difference is "only" 2,5% up to 5% (in this particiular case), but remember those moments where the enemy survived with 1 HP? Yeah, that might happen. And let's not forget the shields.
I just prefer Evenshroud for the personal armour and MR stats (mythic passive) aswell as the damage increase as Liss can proc it very often.
I will try to add a segment at some point, but I don't know when that is.

About :
I never EVER see a reason to build over , especially since Frozen Heart's Rock Solid passive is the same as Randuin's.
The main reasons to build Frozen Heart:
Attack Speed slow
Need of mana
10 more Ability Haste (compared to RO)
(Last patch the lower cost and the Rock Solid base dmg reduction being 7 were, imo, some of the reasons when snowballing, but now these two are null and void)

What does have in comparison?
Same amount of armour
250 HP
Active reduces AD by 10% and crit damage by 20% of EVERY ENEMY hit by the active

If RO only had crit damage reduction on the active, I could see a very good reason for Frozen Heart over Randuin's Omen. But the AD reduction is too good to pass up.
Another reason why I disregard the mana on Frozen Heart: I've learned to conserve my mana on Lissandra supp very well to a point where cookies are the only mana pool increase I genuinely need. Spamming Q forces you to go OOM very quickly; being patient and maxing W avoids that issue, at least according to my experience.

So really, I never see a reason to build Frozen Heart over Randuin's... in this season. The massive nerf to Randuin's in the pre season drop it from the spot of the best armour item. In this case FH might be viable, we'll have to see.

About :
The main reason to build Warmogs, imo, is the passive. However, since I tend to go back to fill up my wards quite often and know just how far I go, the only other reason is the HP. However, in that case you might aswell have prepared in advance and gotten a into . It gives a bit less HP but gives you a shield that outshines the difference in HP by a ton.

While I mentioned that if you play Liss patiently, you will very rarely run out of mana, but more mana never hurts. It's more a question of "Will me investing into and delaying 400 gold early in the game outweigh delaying //?". I've tried going into , but that is too expensive for a support. It might be me playing in diamond elo, but you only make it past your 3rd item (i.e. , Boots of your choice, e.g. ) in maybe 2/10 games.

Just as my guide tries to convey, it is important to know when building something might be better: If you only need to build 1 armour item and your team can disengage often, it might be better to build . If you desperately need mana and the enemy mostly has attack speed AD champs, might be better (think as her AAs deal less damage), altough I think the 10% AD reduction does more. I have never done the math, but my gut tells me that 10% less AD is more value. As mentioned above, if you have enough damage and need more survivability, might be better.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. I hope I could help you out!

Thank you very much for the explanation and a very quick reply! For now that is all I needed to clarify.

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Hey Shurawolf,
one tiny thing I thought about when talking about with a friend:
You provide bonus armour and MR to each ally.
To have some simple maths, I will say that you give up to 15 armour and 15 MR with Locket's maxed out mythic passive (iirc it's 13, but 15 is easier to do maths with).
This means that you give one and 60% of a (15/25 = 60%) in terms of value to a teammate. 's value is at 300g, 60% of a are 60%*450g = 270, meaning 300g + 270g = 570g.

Now apply this to up to 4 teammates: That means that, in terms of monetary gain, you supply your team with up to 570g * 4 = 2280g simply by existing! Of course I have to mention that this is the upper limit and a bit skewed since I used 15 instead of 13 as a stat, but we can just say that we then give around 2100g towards our team.

And this didn't even factor in the shield which, excluding healing- and shielding power you might have, can block up to 330 * 5 = 1650 damage! So really, is a very good defensive item that provides a bonkers amount of "free" stats to your teammates. This could make it ideal if you have a late game scaling comp or just prefer to be more defensive/reactive.

I will still stick to because of personal preference, but this should make it a bit easier to consider when to build :)

love this guide so much

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keep up the good work and update these for us and screw the haters

This guide is updated, right? owo
(even if its not i still love it)

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The guide is still up to date, most things still apply. It's just that I haven't really had the time to add more things. At some point I want to add a warding guide, but uni is killing me rn

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I love you. KappaPride. Thakns for the guide!

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Hello,
I have been interested in support for a while and have 200+ of games on her in that role. Id like to share some my thoughts on this build. I am silver though so this might not be very useful.

Mythics:
Between and I usually follow your build and pick as it is cheap and gives the damage we need. But if the enemy team has many melee's and assassins I might opt for as the extra cc and peel it gives would be more useful in such scenarios.

is another interesting pick but I haven't tried it much. any thoughts on its effectiveness in this role?

Runes:
is definitely the way to go on supp , but for secondary runes I feel like tree is more suited than , sub runes such as and really helps get her items quicker. is a great pick on but I don't usually ult on cooldown so it often feels wasteful.

Trading in lane pre Lvl 6:
This is the part I still cant get right on supp . If I don't have a strong bursty ADC like I sometimes find myself losing all in trades especially when the enemy team has better cc such as stuns and airborn. just doesn't have a reliable attack stopping cc pre level 6 like other supports such as or have.

I feel like short trades in those scenarios would be better, that is E in recast when you are at W range, Root and if possible throw a AA or a Q in and run out. The main goal of this trade would be to root an enemy so that the ADC can throw in a AA or ability to complete the trade. and its other sub runes really helps with the short trade as returning damage would be mitigated.

Short trades are risky though especially if you get caught with cc or they burst you into a losing trade. I still have trouble in this regard and I would love to see more about trading in your guide

That concludes my silver brain thoughts. I look forward to seeing this guide evolve.

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Heya,
(Thanks Mobafire for deleting my message. Now I have to rewrite my message)

About the Mythics
I've been trying to go for more often, what I have noticed so far is that by the time I've build it, most games are already decided; its high cost is what is stopping it from being useful for supp imo. It isn't bad, god no, it's really good. And if you need a bit more CC, then yeah, build it. I personally think and/or W and/or R are enough damage reduction/lockdown but more CC equals more GG, so I'd say it's personal preference.
I still need to play more games with to feel comfortable about when to build it, hence it's still in the testing tab.

I don't think I will try anytime soon. I don't think that is a damage champion at all, hence I'm not interested in building the damage mage items, excluding (which you build for the active, not the stats).
The theory, however:
You build it if the enemy has a ****ton of tanks and you need a bit more %-health damage.

About runes
While and are nice to have, having the ult up asap is better than not having it up when it could matter because you have to wait another 10 seconds. Besides, as someone who absolutely loves having vision on the map, having the heavily underrated rune is too good to pass up. The vision you get is too good and, at this point, the main reason why I'm in the red tree.

About trading
The main idea behind trading is to abuse cooldowns. A few examples:
vs.
If you engage on Pyke, you will have a hard time as he can punish you very hard. However, you can punish Pyke very well; if he uses his E to engage, you can W and punish him.

vs.
Same deal as against Pyke. If you engage first, you will get punished hard. However, if Thresh whiffs his hook and E, you can punish hard with your ADC.

vs.
Once Yuumi is out of her host, try to tell your ADC to punish the Yuumi as Liss W can counter Yuumi.

It's pretty much matchup dependend, but I will try to get a trading section up. Soon(TM).

I do however apprechiate the comment and I'm glad that you're interested in the guide!

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