Riot on OP/UP champions

[quote=Brynollf][quote=Temzilla] 11 op champs? Corki, Fiddlesticks, Yorick, Gangplank, Pantheon, Vayne, Twisted Fate, Orianna, Soraka. I guess i'm just listing off good solo queue champions though. OMG SO DUMB FORGOT ANNIE AND RUMBLE D:! [/quote] Ehhm, Pantheon op?...[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=caucheka] [quote=wRAthoFVuLK] Karma ain't like Ori at all...Karma ain't no NUKE [/quote] how do you build karma? because it sure as hell isnt ap. karma makes a way better mage than support. [/quote] Totally true. Her skills are strong compared to other supports, but since RIOT said she's a support, she can't be like Annie or Brand. Wait there, you said Jax is OP. I agree with that, he can kill any champion. But say that on Leaguecraft.[/quote]

[quote=Whated#79092]This is interesting thread. JunSupport, could you tell me what does Riot think about [[Tryndamere]]? In my opinion. [[Tryndamere]] is useless in 5vs5, Kited too easily. But in 3vs3 he can "roflstomp" almost every pub game. It is just stupid how he can jungle for ever. Solo dragon at level 6 with ult or at 8 without ult. Spin thought tightest walls etc... Also I think [[Jax]] isn't so OP at 5vs5. But in 3vs3 he really dominates. EDIT: Yesterday I played a premade 5vs5 with two of my friends and 2 random guys. [[Akali]] Is under 200 hp ar at 200hp and escaping. We just won a teamfight. We killed 2 of them and [[Akali]] was running. Suddenly that FUCKING WHORE jump on us and does a quadra. You never quess how much I fucking raged. She rushed [[Hextech Gunblade]] so she had like 50% spellvamp and that isn't OP/broken shit huh...Thank god we won the game afterall. But still. BTW I played as [[Kennen]] and my stunlock at [[Akali]] didnt work! just saying. She still killed us.[/quote]

[quote=Kuro13][quote=JunSupport] [color=#00ffff][b]Underpowered: [/b][/color] [[Anivia]], [[Evelynn]], [[Ezreal]], [[Galio]], [[Garen]], [[Heimerdinger]], [[Karma]], [[Kennen]], [[Leona]], [[Lux]], [[Malphite]], [[Miss Fortune]], [[Morgana]], [[Nunu]], [[Pantheon]], [[Rammus]], [[Ryze]], [[Shen]], [[Sion]], [[Taric]], [[Teemo]], [[Twitch]], [[Urgot]]. Notes:[list] [*] Anivia - Mana Costs [*] Garen lacks a late game. [*] Karma - Mantras not enough to compensate for a lack of Ult. [*] Kennen's stun was nerfed, (edit) and the Zhonya's Ring change really hurt his item-build viability. [*] Leona and Shen both have ignorable damage late game. (Shen sucks early game too) [*] Lux and Morgana - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [*] Malphite is in the same pot as Galio. He can only initiate with his Ult, and can't do much else after. [*] MF's Ult recognized as needing buffs [*] Nunu - Nerfed early game with a bad late game [*] Ryze can't perform as a carry despite his rework. (I think he needs to be able to push, and needs a better ultimate; more utility or something) [*] Sion has a broken design. [*] Taric, on the backburner for a buff/rework. [*] Teemo - Only strong point is Shrooms after his kit tweaks, and Oracles wreck that. [*] Urgot - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [/list] [/quote] I can absolutely understand why you put each of these champions on this list. Especially Galio, I love playing him, but far too often in teamfights I'll have a great initiate with my ult, then just kinda derp around once its done because everything is on CD. Though I am curious as to why you feel Rammus is UP at the moment. He feels like he's in a good place to me right now. Being my main the back to back Rammus nerfs were quite irritating, but I didn't feel like they overdid it.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=TheJohn] since RIOT said she's a support, she can't be like Annie or Brand. [/quote] lol Nuke Karma 2gud XD[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]Trynda is really good in 3v3, but kinda bad in 5v5. Jax is great in both maps, especially 3v3. The real thing is that in 3v3, players get the fck the fcking fckers champions (the strongest ones) and the fight is "balanced" in a certain way. In 5v5, the variety of champions is bigger because you have more teammates to protect you if you got a support or a mage. Anyway, 3v3 >>>>>> 5v5 if you like meele and strong champions.[/quote]

[quote=Dotter]Some of the champions I find OP at the moment is: [[Gangplank]], [[Yorick]], [[Fiddlesticks]], [[Nidalee]], [[Mordekaiser]] (Yes, I am a noob), Maybe [[Corki]] on the UP ones I kinda agree with Jun ^^[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Whated] JunSupport, could you tell me what does Riot think about [[Tryndamere]]? In my opinion. [[Tryndamere]] is useless in 5vs5, Kited too easily. But in 3vs3 he can "roflstomp" almost every pub game. It is just stupid how he can jungle for ever. Solo dragon at level 6 with ult or at 8 without ult. Spin thought tightest walls etc... [/quote] Tryndamere is an excellent late-game champion in 5v5. He is scary when played properly. Sorry to hear you think he's bad. Once he's farmed, he is scarier then Mordekaiser. And a beast of a split-pusher. [quote=Whated]Also I think [[Jax]] isn't so OP at 5vs5. But in 3vs3 he really dominates.[/quote] Jax is OP when farmed late game because of his passive [[Equipment Mastery]] and how he uber-counters auto-attackers with [[Counter Strike]]. The end. [quote=Whated]EDIT: Yesterday I played a premade 5vs5 with two of my friends and 2 random guys. [[Akali]] Is under 200 hp ar at 200hp and escaping. We just won a teamfight. We killed 2 of them and [[Akali]] was running. Suddenly that FUCKING WHORE jump on us and does a quadra. You never quess how much I fucking raged. She rushed [[Hextech Gunblade]] so she had like 50% spellvamp and that isn't OP/broken shit huh...Thank god we won the game afterall. But still. BTW I played as [[Kennen]] and my stunlock at [[Akali]] didnt work! just saying. She still killed us. [/quote] Let me guess... You all didn't have any decent magic resist, and let her snowball her [[Shadow Dance]] charges off your deaths, so she could jump around like a frog. Akali is a melee nuke assassin with no crowd control. Her power is balanced for her condition. [quote=Kuro13] Though I am curious as to why you feel Rammus is UP at the moment. He feels like he's in a good place to me right now. Being my main the back to back Rammus nerfs were quite irritating, but I didn't feel like they overdid it. [/quote] His jungle is crap. If you get counter-jungled as Rammus, you can't do a thing to recover. If you get ganked while jungling, you run or die, no retaliating. His lane is impossibly hard. If you're not curled, you get harassed and zoned out. If you are curled, you have to focus on last hits and tank harass anyway. He can't farm well until level6 for [[Tremors]] either. Also, in this meta game, Rammus' [[puncturing taunt]] is bad in that it's single-target with a high cooldown. The current meta is about high damage output, so those other 4 enemies you enemy taunt will run past you and make your team cry while your taunted target kites you... There are just better choices. Jarvan, Singed, Maokai, Warwick, Amumu, Udyr, and Cho'Gath all make superior as junglers, laners, and end-game tanks.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=JunSupport] [color=#ffff00][b]Overpowered:[/b][/color] [[Annie]], [[Corki]], [[Jarvan]], [[Jax]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Nidalee]], [[Singed]], [[Twisted Fate]], [[Udyr]], [[Warwick]], [[Yorick]] Notes:[list] [*] Jax was indicated as having an OP late-game by Ezreal. [*] Singed - Insane survivability [*] Udyr and WW - Their ridiculous sustain [*] Yorick for his late game ... [*] Lee Sin, was based on my own judgment. He has amazing ratios, sustain, and gap closers/escapes. He has an extremely high skill cap despite being fairly easy to play. I think he could be beastly in the right hands. [/list] [color=#00ffff][b]Underpowered: [/b][/color] [[Anivia]], [[Evelynn]], [[Ezreal]], [[Galio]], [[Garen]], [[Heimerdinger]], [[Karma]], [[Kennen]], [[Leona]], [[Lux]], [[Malphite]], [[Miss Fortune]], [[Morgana]], [[Nunu]], [[Pantheon]], [[Rammus]], [[Ryze]], [[Shen]], [[Sion]], [[Taric]], [[Teemo]], [[Twitch]], [[Urgot]]. Notes:[list] [*] Anivia - Mana Costs [*] Garen lacks a late game. [*] Karma - Mantras not enough to compensate for a lack of Ult. [*] Kennen's stun was nerfed, (edit) and the Zhonya's Ring change really hurt his item-build viability. [*] Leona and Shen both have ignorable damage late game. (Shen sucks early game too) [*] Lux and Morgana - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [*] Malphite is in the same pot as Galio. He can only initiate with his Ult, and can't do much else after. [*] MF's Ult recognized as needing buffs [*] Nunu - Nerfed early game with a bad late game [*] Ryze can't perform as a carry despite his rework. (I think he needs to be able to push, and needs a better ultimate; more utility or something) [*] Sion has a broken design. [*] Taric, on the backburner for a buff/rework. [*] Teemo - Only strong point is Shrooms after his kit tweaks, and Oracles wreck that. [*] Urgot - Buffs in pipeline by Riot. [/list] [/quote] I'm going to say Ryze can carry , but the issue is his farming ability early game is weak for a carry. If hes not farmed or fed by late game he falls off BUT his " Snare " in team fight mode is good. I would consider him balanced if anything at the moment. Also his Aoe ult is impressive within a team with good CC. Taric - Hes UP only because I feel his ult puts him down that path. People dig Sona / Soraka / Janna because their ults are game changers Tarics on the other hand doesn't allow that ability, if your caught off guard with Janna you can ult and push the whole team back with Taric if you ult late or not on time your wasting a ton of mana or your dead. ( Not always though )[/quote]

[quote=3pthorror]OP: corki, ashe, tf, gp, malz, rumble, alistar, soraka, annie, WW, sona, jarvan UP:Heimer, shaco, morgana, Twitch, urgot, trynd, veigar, shen, sivir, olaf, malphite, leblanc, kennen, kogmaw, Kayle, Kat, Karma, evelyn, ezreal, mundo,galio, pantheon, renekton[/quote]