Talon Champion Spotlight

[quote=theBMB]it's nice to see another melee champ who ISN'T tanky DPS, i'm getting so tired of that.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=NicknameMy] Well, but this build hasn't enough armorpen... If i think about a carry with [[guardian angel]] or at least armor-runes. Ugh...[/quote] This whole part, seems to contradict itself. If it's a separate statement: If I need more armor pen, I'll buy a [[Last Whisper]] end game. You do not need a lot of Armor pen early game. You only need to build armor-ignoring items when the enemy starts grabbing [[Thornmail]] because you're DOING SO DAM WELL. If you mean armor is bad. Guardian Angel is good. Glass Cannon builds are for fed games. Up against evenly skilled opponents, you'll get owned fast. [quote=NicknameMy]Also, do you know that [[phage]] increases his dmg drastically? You should buy it earlier. It also gives you some survival, too. And again, this build isn't viable at the current metagame. You need a tanky person at solo top. [/quote] [[Phage]] does not increase damage drastically. Phage is only good for the slow and health. The damage isn't significant enough to be considered. And yes, Brutalizer is, because it grants Armor Penetration. You sir, do not know how to build an Assassin. :P[/quote]

[quote=RoIand#64773][quote=JunSupport] [quote=NicknameMy] Well, but this build hasn't enough armorpen... If i think about a carry with [[guardian angel]] or at least armor-runes. Ugh...[/quote] This whole part, seems to contradict itself. If it's a separate statement: If I need more armor pen, I'll buy a [[Last Whisper]] end game. You do not need a lot of Armor pen early game. You only need to build armor-ignoring items when the enemy starts grabbing [[Thornmail]] because you're DOING SO DAM WELL. If you mean armor is bad. Guardian Angel is good. Glass Cannon builds are for fed games. Up against evenly skilled opponents, you'll get owned fast. [quote=NicknameMy]Also, do you know that [[phage]] increases his dmg drastically? You should buy it earlier. It also gives you some survival, too. And again, this build isn't viable at the current metagame. You need a tanky person at solo top. [/quote] [[Phage]] does not increase damage drastically. Phage is only good for the slow and health. The damage isn't significant enough to be considered. And yes, Brutalizer is, because it grants Armor Penetration. You sir, do not know how to build an Assassin. :P [/quote] Plus the 10% CDR :). Yeah, Brutalizer seems to be a good item on him.[/quote]

[quote=theBMB][quote=JunSupport] [quote=NicknameMy]Also, do you know that [[phage]] increases his dmg drastically? You should buy it earlier. It also gives you some survival, too. And again, this build isn't viable at the current metagame. You need a tanky person at solo top. [/quote] [[Phage]] does not increase damage drastically. Phage is only good for the slow and health. The damage isn't significant enough to be considered. And yes, Brutalizer is, because it grants Armor Penetration. You sir, do not know how to build an Assassin. :P [/quote] you're forgetting talon's passive does extra damage to CC'ed targets. So effectively, phage and Frozen mallet do extra damage for talon, making them smart purchases for him on top of their good passives.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Here's how I build [u]Jungle[/u] Shaco if ganks are easy, meaning I need damage and bulk. I build differently if the lanes aren't easy to gank. [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=12-27-27-27-27-27-78-1-108-37-24-24-92-60] The wriggles is purely for jungle purposes. If I were laning, I'd start with a doran's blade. A doran's shield if I'm not confident against my lane-match-up. 2 Doran's Blade are enough to take one the damage enemies will deal towards me. Why? Because I don't initiate. I gank, I get teammates to initiate, or attack when the enemy's guard is down (no summoners or after they use an important ability in lane) The Brutalizer supplies me raw power, while the Bloodthirster means I have 39% Life steal. 39%+ Life Steal > 30% damage return from Thornmail! [color=lime]@theBMB:[/color] Early game? You're forgetting that Cutthroat and Rake slow and silence his targets. That's a lot of CC early game. During early game, you want to have lots of damage per gold. Phage is very VERY inconsistent. And I didn't forget about Talon's passive. It would not benefit towards your passive enough to be worth it. Mid or late game, is another story. And, [[Frozen Mallet]] would definitely be a reason to not buy Sheen. I'd probably do that if the enemies were mainly squishies with high-mobility. People who I don't need extra burst for, and need a constant CC to stick on. I suppose it'd be something like this: [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=23-1-24-92-37-17-60-51-101-41] If the game is going smoothly, I'd probably end up either buying another bloodthirster. Last Whisper if the enemies smarten up and buy armor. Guardian Angel or Force of Nature if it's an even-going game. Depending on the enemy's damage output.[/quote]

[quote=Caladar]For the same reason I don't like getting Triforce on Wukong, I won't like it for this Champion either. Wukong was (in my opinion) dependent on his 1-2-3 combo to effectively grab kills, and Triforce does not get you that fast enough. (and I don't care about the fact his W scales off AP, big frigging deal to that) >Even is Triforce is such a powerful item, it doesn't mean you should just smack it onto every single champion that seems to work with it< Seeing the spotlite I feel like some fast early burst, through boosting overall damage. (since we don't know what his skills scale off yet, let's just assume it's AD since that's what Phreak was mainly getting.) BF Sword is a more solid 1650 investment that yields a huge amount of output for any melee dps. Theory's aside, let's just wait till we get a hands-on and are done with the first week of hate and feeding frenzies. p.s. /rant on And like someone said earlier, only a noob dies like a noob by pushing the lanes like a noob. It only takes 15 seconds for someone to get from mid to top or bot, and 5 seconds for you to die while you where to stupid to realize that pushing the lane with either a jungler or an unattentive tweeb in mid is careless. /rant off[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=JunSupport] Here's how I build [u]Jungle[/u] Shaco if ganks are easy, meaning I need damage and bulk. I build differently if the lanes aren't easy to gank. [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=12-27-27-27-27-27-78-1-108-37-24-24-92-60] The wriggles is purely for jungle purposes. If I were laning, I'd start with a doran's blade. A doran's shield if I'm not confident against my lane-match-up. 2 Doran's Blade are enough to take one the damage enemies will deal towards me. Why? Because I don't initiate. I gank, I get teammates to initiate, or attack when the enemy's guard is down (no summoners or after they use an important ability in lane) The Brutalizer supplies me raw power, while the Bloodthirster means I have 39% Life steal. 39%+ Life Steal > 30% damage return from Thornmail! [color=lime]@theBMB:[/color] Early game? You're forgetting that Cutthroat and Rake slow and silence his targets. That's a lot of CC early game. During early game, you want to have lots of damage per gold. Phage is very VERY inconsistent. And I didn't forget about Talon's passive. It would not benefit towards your passive enough to be worth it. Mid or late game, is another story. And, [[Frozen Mallet]] would definitely be a reason to not buy Sheen. I'd probably do that if the enemies were mainly squishies with high-mobility. People who I don't need extra burst for, and need a constant CC to stick on. I suppose it'd be something like this: [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=23-1-24-92-37-17-60-51-101-41] If the game is going smoothly, I'd probably end up either buying another bloodthirster. Last Whisper if the enemies smarten up and buy armor. Guardian Angel or Force of Nature if it's an even-going game. Depending on the enemy's damage output. [/quote] I'd get the Maleet earlier due to his passive and that late mallet will really be more deadly than blade.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]*faps* so pumped for him! :D got RP ready for da double bundle >:D uh I think Frozen Mal will be better than TF tbh since you won't be spamming TOO much (enough to warrant a TF, but not as much as like, Udyr), and you need those constant slows from Frozen Mal for your passive; I think 100% slow from FM with your passive will result in more damage than 35% chance to slow with TF and TF procs.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Joobieo: idk, I already got the Phage. Personally, I'd want the active. If you hadn't noticed, Talon has no attack speed steroids. It really depends on how much CC my own team has, plus how squishy/powerful my opponents are. If I need the bulk, I'd get it before youmuu's. @wRAthoFVuLK: Watch the video again. Noxian Diplomacy has a very VERY low cooldown.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I don't build him as assasin, I build him as tanky dps, like any other meele actually. Best examples for it: Tankturne and Tankplank. Squashy meele are just not viable.[/quote]