Tiger stance vs Pheonix stance

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] I'd easily believe he's swapped the AS quints for move speed. I think a lot of people are doing that, and not just for Udyr. Move speed quints are great. AS quints aren't bad though, just different. It's not all about the time on the clock after your first clear.[/quote] In this case it's all about the time. AS quints are used for faster clear. If they hardly help over MS quints then I consider them bad. [quote]I'm of the opinion that Warmogg's, TF, and Mallet all have very different functions Warmogg's can't stick you to an enemy. Mallet can't boost your damage or HP as much. Trinity Force can't give you the same sticking power or survivability.[/quote] Since Udyr has a stun I'm pretty sure that TF is better at making you stick to your target. And Warmog does ofc give more defense than Mallet(while being cheaper too). Mallet is just a poor item choice on Udyr. [quote]Warmogg's TF is currently flavor of the month build combo though, and is proven to be effective.[/quote] I would never get Atmog on Phoenix. Just on Tiger.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Warmogg's isn't over rated. 3k gold for highest chunk of HP in game. And Madred's cost 3800, forcing them to buy that means they're not building items that destroy your squishies even faster, like I.E, PD, crit gear essentially.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]I still maintain it's overrated.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Searz] [quote=DuffTime] I'd easily believe he's swapped the AS quints for move speed. I think a lot of people are doing that, and not just for Udyr. Move speed quints are great. AS quints aren't bad though, just different. It's not all about the time on the clock after your first clear.[/quote] In this case it's all about the time. AS quints are used for faster clear. If they hardly help over MS quints then I consider them bad. [quote]I'm of the opinion that Warmogg's, TF, and Mallet all have very different functions Warmogg's can't stick you to an enemy. Mallet can't boost your damage or HP as much. Trinity Force can't give you the same sticking power or survivability.[/quote] Since Udyr has a stun I'm pretty sure that TF is better at making you stick to your target. And Warmog does ofc give more defense than Mallet(while being cheaper too). Mallet is just a poor item choice on Udyr. [quote]Warmogg's TF is currently flavor of the month build combo though, and is proven to be effective.[/quote] I would never get Atmog on Phoenix. Just on Tiger. [/quote] Right but 5 seconds faster clear is only applicable to the clear time. That's fine if you've made up your mind and I'm not saying you're wrong about them being worse than move speed, I actually agree that move speed sound superior (Never tried) but that's not to say that AS don't have application in other areas. Move speed is better in my mind chiefly because you'll build AS with items like Wit's End either way later. But, I don't agree that Mallet is a poor choice. I wouldn't get Atmog on phoenix either. Generally speaking. Tiger would immediately make better use of that item combo.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]It would seem like Jatt uses P stance first then Turtle.. I'll still try the Turtle->P[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=PotatisFarfar] @Nighhawk. If you activate it. you will start pushing becouse of the aoe. And the proc is also aoe. And if they do dragon? Tiger pushes as good. Dat As boost man! [/quote] Tiger pushes 100x worse then Phoenix. Not only is Phoenix AoE better at clearing creeps, but the AD makes a bigger difference then the AS. And if you combine the two (tiger leveled more then phoenix or phoenix leveled more then tiger) then no doubt in my mind Phoenix is better at pushing.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]Well ofc it pushes better. Tiger still pushes like a baws if it needs to.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Oh, and the proc isn't AoE...btw...[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Nighthawk] Oh, and the proc isn't AoE...btw... [/quote] It actually is - kind of. It's not exactly AoE, but it's a frontal cone - as phoenix breath would be - meaning it hits most minions[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]We should mebbeh fix Moba tooltip and be moar specific then? D: I've never noticed it being AoE before too...[/quote]