Tiger stance vs Pheonix stance

[quote=DuffTime]I dunno what Jatt does, but it won't waste you any time to turtle and activate your shield as you run of and then Phoenix. That's how I do it. If he has a legitimate reason not to do it that way, maybe his auto attacks healing on creaps or something in turtle makes up for it? I would listen, but otherwise, I really think you're better off turtle as you come up, and Phoenix when you get there for a free shield and equal speeds.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Night, if you attack the middle melee, and are facing straight forward, it will basically hit all the caster minions, and generally only one of the front minions. Does that make sense? End game when you're geared (Which is when you really want pushing speed) then there reall is no difference. Tiger stance decimates the creep wave instantly too, by basically 1 shotting the creeps as it goes quickly.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]True, i've just never seen that happen before, I guess. And idk, imo Phoenix is still better for pushing. Tiger is only better for actually taking the turret down, if you go DPS.[/quote]

[quote=Vort]I still use both stances, though i'm starting to prefer phoenix a bit more. But I tend to build them for different functions. I'll build my phoenix something along the lines of a full tank build, whereas, i'll build my tiger as a tanky dps. something along these lines. -- Phoenix: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wit's End]] [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] [[Sunfire Cape]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Aegis of the Legion]] And and then tweak the armor/m-res items based upon the opposing team. Tiger: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Wit's End]] [[Trinity Force]] [[Warmog's Armor]] [[Atma's Impaler]][/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]I prefer tiger for more powerful ganks, phoenix is solid too. But to me it's all about the ganks.[/quote]

[quote=Vort]If you can get 3 hits on the person with phoenix up, in a gank, the difference in the damage output basically flips. but ganking with phoenix is much less reliable.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah I actually agree, Phoenix with 3 hits probably does a bit more damage, and if you hit 2 of the targets there's no competition. Basically if your opponents stand and fight you with phoenix they both die guaranteed.[/quote]

[quote=Vort]Indeed. Often, when I gank with phoenix, I don't go in intending to get a kill. I'll take it if it comes, but my main purpose is just to push them back. Force summoner spells, and force them to burn mana.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]But running in with Bear and getting that stun off most people flash/or defensive summoner/ability. The likelihood of getting your 3 attacks off in Phoenix is low. Tiger's front-loaded burst is assured. However YES, if they stand and fight Phoenix is better.[/quote]

[quote=Vort]If they flash or exhaust you, the chance of you actually finishing them off is pretty slim. regardless of what you take.[/quote]