Swain or Vayne? Which brings more QQ ?

[quote=Rudmed][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=Rudmed] Let me wrap up [[Swain]] in one word....[[ignite]]. If they have one or two, just try not to die when they use it on you. If they don't have ignite or any healing reduction you become just about impossible to kill. For example, 4 people on the enemy team saw me as a threat, and decided to dive me. No ignites, no healing reduction, so I popped my ult to scare them away. I am greeted with [[infinite duress]] and [[death lotus]], and a few other skills. I walked away, killing two of them. Long story short: If you get good with [[swain]] he is a scary man. [/quote] QFT. Also, Swain has an incredibly high skill cap. He's not a Q-W-E-R caster. He takes [b]a lot[/b] of thinking to truly master. [/quote] Well it's true, but yeah he is not an easy champion. That Master Tactican title...it isn't just for looks.[/quote]

[quote=KingCasanova][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=Rudmed] Let me wrap up [[Swain]] in one word....[[ignite]]. If they have one or two, just try not to die when they use it on you. If they don't have ignite or any healing reduction you become just about impossible to kill. For example, 4 people on the enemy team saw me as a threat, and decided to dive me. No ignites, no healing reduction, so I popped my ult to scare them away. I am greeted with [[infinite duress]] and [[death lotus]], and a few other skills. I walked away, killing two of them. Long story short: If you get good with [[swain]] he is a scary man. [/quote] QFT. Also, Swain has an incredibly high skill cap. He's not a Q-W-E-R caster. He takes [b]a lot[/b] of thinking to truly master. [/quote] he is called the Master Tactician after all. but you would think of a taction as tiny but it sounds like swain can take a beating.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Lugignaf] QFT. Also, Swain has an incredibly high skill cap. He's not a Q-W-E-R caster. He takes [b]a lot[/b] of thinking to truly master. [/quote] Something something something or other Master Tactician![/quote]

[quote=JakofAllSpaydes][quote=Lugignaf] Nobody plays Karma though because she has the "support" tag while she's meant to be played as an AP carry. [/quote] really? O.o never tried it. I build half support, with a bunch of tanky ap items and it works well for me. karma is awesome idk why shes underplayed T_T[/quote]

[quote=JakofAllSpaydes]and honestly, on the actual topic, I think in terms of "fun", I like swain, because as everyone else said, he takes a pretty high skill cap, and requires thinking. Vayne is definately a good character though. Shes fun to play as well i guess, but personally i enjoyed playing swain more.[/quote]

[quote=KingCasanova][quote=JakofAllSpaydes] and honestly, on the actual topic, I think in terms of "fun", I like swain, because as everyone else said, he takes a pretty high skill cap, and requires thinking. Vayne is definately a good character though. Shes fun to play as well i guess, but personally i enjoyed playing swain more. [/quote] thanks for the input but the actual topic that everyone missed was which brings in more QQ juice for me to drink ? Which pisses the enemy team off to the point of ripping their hair out.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=JakofAllSpaydes] really? O.o never tried it. I build half support, with a bunch of tanky ap items and it works well for me. karma is awesome idk why shes underplayed T_T [/quote] Yea. Tanky AP Karma is the "ideal" way to play but, almost glass cannon, AP carry, maximizes your potential. Rabadon's amplifies your passive. :3[/quote]

[quote=JakofAllSpaydes][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=JakofAllSpaydes] really? O.o never tried it. I build half support, with a bunch of tanky ap items and it works well for me. karma is awesome idk why shes underplayed T_T [/quote] Yea. Tanky AP Karma is the "ideal" way to play but, almost glass cannon, AP carry, maximizes your potential. Rabadon's amplifies your passive. :3 [/quote] oh fuck yes. gotta try it sometime. Suggest a build or something for me lugi? :3[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][[Swain]] is dangerous when fed (like most champions), but can be shut down pretty hard by an [[Ignite]], good positioning, some CC and team coordination. He's also not the deadliest chaser if you can survive his initial combo. [[Vayne]] isn't OP or anything, but she's one of the scariest carries in the game. She's very survivable between [[Final Hour]], [[Tumble]] and [[Condemn]] (and usually [[Exhaust]] and [[Flash]]). More importantly, she can rip through ANY champion in the game due to her high AS, AD and anti-tank qualities. She's also one of the few ranged carries that can get away with buidling tanky. tl;dr: A fed [[Vayne]] can make people scared and angry, carrying the team while being almost unkillable. A fed [[Swain]] just makes you wonder how the heck he got fed in the first place. Then some one buys an [[Executioner's Calling]] and he's back to a manageable level.[/quote]

[quote=ZeroRacer]Dropping in for a quick question here. I'm wondering why the swains I do see usually play him mid so often. He has an incredibly nice set of nice top lane matchups due to the melee heaviness of the lane. With his slow birds and nevermove he has more than enough kiting instruments in his arsenal, and even if they can close the gap he can simply press R. I despise laning aganist good oris or brands, they just outharass me.[/quote]