Heaven

[quote=Luther3000]Generally when there's no evidence that something exists, it makes sense to assume that it doesn't. Except in the case of religion where apparantly people stop giving a shit. [size=1]ohgodthisisgoingtoturnintoareligionargument[/size][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I dunno. I think it's just a easy to assume things might be out of the real of human understanding as it is to say nah, we got it all figured out, this is where it ends. Sorta arrogant to think we really know if there's an afterlife or not when nobody has come back from the grave to share the story (Sometimes people "die" and come out of it hours later or a day later, those people generally seem to agree something happens when you're dead though.)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Luther3000] [size=1]ohgodthisisgoingtoturnintoareligionargument[/size] [/quote] Rofl. Most likely.[/quote]

[quote=davidcarl]I really don't know what everyones ideal heaven but I know the Ideal heaven of this guy ↓↓↓ . [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/94145407.jpg/][IMG]http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7895/94145407.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Its this. [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/695/scratintheblueskybyjoni.jpg/][IMG]http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5882/scratintheblueskybyjoni.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ #winning[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=Luther3000] Generally when there's no evidence that something exists, it makes sense to assume that it doesn't. [/quote] Modern physics is an exception to that. "Hey, this all happens. We think. We're pretty sure, but we don't know. It exists, and it doesn't. Kinda. Maybe. Well, it exists wherever we [i]define[/i] it, but since we can define it as anything we want, it only exists where we want it to. Sometimes." Schrodinger, Heisenberg, and the rest of those pricks can burn in whatever afterlife they've found themselves in, since they've gone through the trouble of making my life a living hell.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][columns][quote=DuffTime] Proof? [/quote] [nextcol][quote=Luther3000] Proof it can? [/quote][/columns] [center]There's no proof for or against it - I win[/center] The beauty of agnostics - You possess the strength of both sides of the argument and get to piss off or refute both sides at your leisure. And in the event that either side wins - You're allowed to side with them because that's how the doctirne works. We don't need to fight for either side - Yet at the end of the day, we enjoy all the spoils of war because we're mature enough to accept that humans can't know the answer until real evidence (for or against it) presents itself.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Shuddup Jun. @Beeswarm I'm pretty sure from when I read up on it that there is actually some kind of proof for quantum wave theory and quantum entanglement. Can't be arsed to look it up though. :P[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]^ Oh, there's some kind of proof. It's fairly reasonable. But when you look up Shroedinger and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, all "proofs" are "theories". An electron in an atom could be in relatively close proximity, and by definition, it is. It could also be on Jupiter. Everything in modern physics comes down to probability. As an added bonus, several formulas revolve around a defined axis. This axis is defined by the one solving the equation. for example, an equation shows that an electron can be anywhere in an area around the nucleus, but it is impossible for it to rest on the Z axis. But as previously stated, the axis is defined by whoever is performing the mathematics. Therefore, the electron can be anywhere, except where someone decides that it can't be. I'm sure if you go further into it, more things are clear, but my physics professors left me with the impression that they didn't know much more than me about these subjects. EDIT: OH, don't forget string theory. XD[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Actually Jun, that was the point that I was trying to make, is that the human doesn't know what comes next because the human has never been there. Hope you're comfy in sharing your victory with DuffTime. And yes Beeswarm, you're pretty accurate in the assumption that they don't KNOW more than you. They've studied for years and years about all the possibilities, but when it really comes down to it, they don't KNOW any more than the next man. I heard rumors that Einstein's theories may be "proven wrong" soon, as a matter of fact. Which doesn't surprise me in the slightest when you consider the methods they used to "Prove" those theories right. Lul.[/quote]