A little Shen info

[quote=Wayne3100]Starting off with armor ([[Frozen Heart]] or [[Randuin's Omen]]) and magic resistance ([[Force of Nature]] or [[Abyssal Scepter]]) is good, but getting all those items is less effective. After getting a nice amount of armor and mres, get health instead to increase your survivability (on Shen [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] would be a good choice? Don't play him xD). Duff he won't be killed [i]very easily[/i] by a carry when all his items give him armor and mres. Focusing [[Shen]] (even if he dies) will give Shens teammates time to kill the enemy carries, but I agree with you apart from that :P The tank certainly does not have to die lol. If he can sacrifice himself in order to rescue a carry then yes, but that's about it x) EDIT: lol wait, why did you mention [[Frozen Heart]] again NicknameMy?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]CDR(ulti!!!, taunt), AS-debuff Aura, very high armor(2. highest in game) BTW: I builded [[rylai's crystal scepter]], too. [quote=NicknameMy]Jungle [[Shen]] [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=12-27-27-27-27-27-1-91-82-6-85-26-13-42-80-102-81-34][/quote][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]High armor is meaningless without high HP.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, you know people like [[vayne]], [[kog'maw]] or items like [[madred's bloodrazor]], etc... They make your high HP really bad...[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No they don't lol. That is a common misconception and a fallacy.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Right, but [[Last Whisper]] and [[Void Staff]] won't counter your amount of armor and mres :P[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Btw they don't make having HP 'bad' lol. It's a counter vs high HP, that doesn't make having HP bad xD[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ This. Armor and MR is more effectively countered by Last Whisper and Void staff than HP is countered by Vayne Kog and Madred's. YES, having those things makes a high target easier to kill. NO, it does not invalidate the purchase of HP. All it does is necessitate the purchase/selection of attack speed debuffers in items and champs. Without the HP, everyone can deal you effective damage, even Vayne. WITH the HP, ONLY Vayne can deal you effective damage. Only Vayne. (Or Kog or madreds etc) Big difference. Everything hurts, or only on thing hurts. Easy choice imo~[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=NicknameMy] Well, you know people like [[vayne]], [[kog'maw]] or items like [[madred's bloodrazor]], etc... They make your high HP really bad... [/quote] They are equally effective against high & low health....how much health you have makes no difference because it's an equal percentage of damage to your health either way.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ And while those attacks remain "equally effective", all other attack become less effective. Yes, the attacks are dealing more damage, but they are not bringing you down any faster than they were before. To deal with a champ like Vayne or Kogmaw, you build Warmogg's, Warden's mail, GA, finish Randuin's. FoN is good too. And you RUSH them, and activate Randuin's, and you make sure they die, even if it means losing your GA.[/quote]