Cost effectiveness of masteries - a closer look...

[quote=DuffTime]It's a mastery I pretty much always take on tanky guys. Always. It's actually really good. Not even just kinda good.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] A lot of people are very ignorant, including yourself.[/quote] Thank you for being a dick like always... You see the facts presented in front of you and you just ignore them. But you obviously disagree. You've made that clear. I'll ask you nicely; please leave this thread alone. You'll just throw out more insults and/or make me do it because I'm very tired and not in the mood for shit.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=EvilDice] #1 never use honor guard lol. Learned from day 1 that the CDR and MS masteries work better if you want to invest 21 into defense[/quote] Yep. You're right about that. The problem is that [[Hardiness]] and [[Resistance]] are just as strong as honor guard, just better early and worse late. Is terribad. [quote]#2 call me crazy but this is why I take the t1 AD mastery over AP on my casters. 4 AP is so much less valuable than 4 AD.[/quote] Nothing crazy about that. Riot fucked up the balance. That's a viable choice until they fix it.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Temzilla] Well, if towers have something like... 225 armor, then it's a 3% increase in damage to turrets. So, 3 ad per 100ad, and only to turrets. It's a pretty shit mastery, but it's the same as the +10 damage to turrets one because turrets have so much armor.[/quote] Just gonna correct your math here. It reduces the damage the armor of towers reduce by 1%. So you get 3 damage at 300AD, not 100. It's 1 extra damage per 100AD. [[Demolitionist]] gives 3 damage after tower armor.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][[Siege commander]] is good on solo laners that push hard. The armor reduction on towers really adds up when you get a full wave of minions there.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Searz] If you don't think there's anything wrong with it you're clearly very ignorant, because a lot of people who actually thought about the masteries have found that Riot did a few huge blunders in there. [/quote] [quote=Searz] Thank you for being a dick like always... You see the facts presented in front of you and you just ignore them. But you obviously disagree. You've made that clear. I'll ask you nicely; please leave this thread alone. You'll just throw out more insults and/or make me do it because I'm very tired and not in the mood for shit. [/quote] You call me ignorant, and when I say the exact same words back you can't handle it. The exact, same, words. You need a serious self evaluation. Take some time out and think about the way you interact with people. You are wrong with frequency and you don't like being disagreed with because you've made a chart that supports your claim about LoL economics and efficiency, and you feel that gives you the right to treat people the way you please. Flippantly disrespectfully disregarding the opinions and statements of any player who you think is "Below" you. I don't know if it's because you're a 1500-1600 player, or if it's because you're a vet, or if it's just your own arrogant personality, and quite honestly I don't care why you act the way you do. You are not above anybody. You do not have the right to call people ignorant and throw a fit when they say it right back. You are not better than me. Your opinion does not carry more weight than mine. Understand? PS; You're not asking me nicely, you're calling me a dick and saying I ignore the "Facts" that you present. Yet you ignore everything that I say as well so how about you just don't respond to my posts then? Then you just tell me to go away and you'll act like you did nothing wrong I'm sure after reading my response and try to paint me out to be the bad guy again, as per usual. This is a forum, theory crafting is not the Searz empire. You have no more right to it than I do. Once you post here, it's public.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Searz] [quote=Temzilla] Well, if towers have something like... 225 armor, then it's a 3% increase in damage to turrets. So, 3 ad per 100ad, and only to turrets. It's a pretty shit mastery, but it's the same as the +10 damage to turrets one because turrets have so much armor.[/quote] Just gonna correct your math here. It reduces the damage the armor of towers reduce by 1%. So you get 3 damage at 300AD, not 100. It's 1 extra damage per 100AD. [[Demolitionist]] gives 3 damage after tower armor. [/quote] What? Okay, so, you have 225 armor right? So, your 300 AD does 300*(100/325)= 92.3076923 Damage. Now, if the tower has 215 armor... Your 300 AD does 300*(100/315)= 95.2380952 Damage. If we do 95.2380952/92.3076923, we get 1.03174603, a three PERCENT increase. I was wrong when i said "it's the same as the +10 damage to turrets mastery" but i wasn't wrong with what i said about it being 3 damage per 100 ad. I wasn't really thinking, nasty flu and all. It's worth 3 AD at 100 AD. [quote=Lugignaf] [[Siege commander]] is good on solo laners that push hard. The armor reduction on towers really adds up when you get a full wave of minions there. [/quote] It's a 3 percent increase, no matter how many people are there. Minions aren't a lot of damage right? You know how, when you have a bunch of vamp scepters, but you do 50 damage a hit, and you get no life steal? Siege commander works kind of like that. It turns the 10 damage the the minions do, into 10.3 damage. It's not anything more than 3%.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I still think for a single mastery point, you're getting a lot of worth out of your investment.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Lets all go fap or clop for a bit and come back later[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I wouldn't skill [[siege commander]] if all other skillable masteries wouldn't be so shit...[/quote]