Cost effectiveness of masteries - a closer look...

[quote=Searz][quote=NicknameMy] [[mercenary]] needs 9 kills/assists to be worth it like [[greed]]. In 25 minutes. Definitly needs a buff. I think, increasing it by 50% could work.(Yeah, I can't balance, but this is only an idea.^^) So: 12 / 24 / 36[/quote] STOP MAKING THESE COMMENTS PLEASE.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][[mental force]] is such a dumb mastery.. even as AP it's more worth it to get [[brute force]] to help with last hitting and even harassing ._.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Mental force could certainly be 1.5 per point and it would be better.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] Honor guard gets no love because it's not the most efficient :P It's already fine where it is.[/quote] No. Riot has stronger masteries further down the mastery trees and Honor guard is about as strong as [[Hardiness]] which is a mastery at RIGHT AT THE TOP. AND HARDINESS ISN'T EVEN STRONG. [quote]Greed and wealth are good for supports.[/quote] They are good [u]stats[/u], but they're bad masteries. Supports really don't have a choice, they're forced to use them (in most cases) because most other things don't benefit them as much. [quote]I think the entire masteries page is well balanced from top to bottom. I'm having difficulty abusing it this season, whereas the last page was easy to break.[/quote] If you don't think there's anything wrong with it you're clearly very ignorant, because a lot of people who actually thought about the masteries have found that Riot did a few huge blunders in there. Some of which can be seen in this comparison. Look at Brute Force and Mental Force. [quote=DuffTime] Mental force could certainly be 1.5 per point and it would be better.[/quote] Lol no. It should be 2AP. 2AP is worth about the same as 1AD. Brute Force is balanced.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]A lot of people are very ignorant, including yourself. The masteries are legitimately very balanced overall with only minor adjustments needed. Getting caught in cost effectiveness is a plague to the functionality of a player. It's a concept that's going to do yourself more harm than good. Even when a rune or mastery is not optimal in terms of cost to effect, it may still be very good.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]A couple points to make here. #1 never use honor guard lol. Learned from day 1 that the CDR and MS masteries work better if you want to invest 21 into defense #2 call me crazy but this is why I take the t1 AD mastery over AP on my casters. 4 AP is so much less valuable than 4 AD.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Temzilla] I think you're getting caught up on the fallacy that "higher tier masteries should be worth more gold."[/quote] Well... It seems Riot is trying to design them that way.. There are a few cases of that and the previous mastery trees were really bottom-heavy.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] Siege commander isn't bad though. Aside from Evasion and perhaps mercenary, I think almost all the masteries have legitimate merit. [/quote] Well, if towers have something like... 225 armor, then it's a 3% increase in damage to turrets. So, 3 ad per 100ad, and only to turrets. It's a pretty shit mastery, but it's the same as the +10 damage to turrets one because turrets have so much armor. [quote=EvilDice]#2 call me crazy but this is why I take the t1 AD mastery over AP on my casters. 4 AP is so much less valuable than 4 AD.[/quote] It's either Rain Man or Salce who uses the AD mastery on his mid laners because it allows him to farm more effectively. But it's definitely legitimate.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]For everybody attacking. For a single point, it's a high impact mastery.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] For everybody attacking. For a single point, it's a high impact mastery. [/quote] It's still very situational.[/quote]