Shaco players dying out?

[quote=Pip00p]So I've recently picked up a character that I rarely see played nowadays... Shaco. He was once a hero that pretty much ripped up a lot of heroes with his clone. But the nerfs, I believe, have just destroyed his potential. I've been testing out some MOBAfire builds on him but dissapointed with the results, the [i][b]Shaco the Insane[/b][/i] build is very good for those of us who can afford enough crit damage runes... but I want a solid Shaco build that does not rely too heavily on runes. The others guide [i]would[/i] have been good but with all the recent nerfs (Clone, his DPS is not what it once was), I believe Shaco needs a new build to make him what he once was. I have basically ran my own tests to craft a new build on [icon=Shaco size=32]. So far I have failed quite miserably. I'm still trying to craft new ideas everyday. I have decided to to turn to the forums for help, I have decided to make a Hybrid-DPS/Burst. Summoner Spells: [icon=Exhaust size=20] [icon=Ghost size=20] [icon=Ignite size=20] [icon=Teleport size=20] Depends on your playstyle! Those are just what I use. Some items I've decided to use: [icon=Hextech Gunblade size=20] / [icon=Bilgewater Cutlass size=20] (Leave the Gunblade to last?) [icon=Berserker's Greaves size=20] [icon=Banshee's Veil size=20] / [icon=Phantom Dancer size=20] / [icon=The Black Cleaver size=20] (These items are situational items: Getting nuked? / Needing movement speed and some DPS ownage? / Their tanks stacking too much armor?) [icon=Infinity Edge size=20] [icon=Madred's Bloodrazor size=20] [icon=Trinity Force size=20] Not necessarily in that order but yeah, those are just some items. I'm still experimenting everyday, so far with the above build, I have had 1:1 and sometimes a bit above that ratio, but other than that sometimes I do absolutely horrid. I really want to build a build that will just be [b]WOW[/b]. Please suggest anything if you can, I'm always trying to improve my experience in this game! I will try everything and hopefully be able to create a build that will work. Of course I will take criticism because my ideas are just pouring without thought sometimes haha.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]Well shaco is my main. But he is never the one he used to be. i have build him every way you can build him. My old build was always. �¨ Bloodrazors : Starks : Sunfire : Sunfire : GA But with the sunfire nerfs. I have latley only played Assasin shaco. It is fun but it will not work i'f you don't get a good early game Just gonna post my scores: (cuzz i'm a big showoff!) [IMG]http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1830/shacopwng.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

[quote=caucheka]>my scores >only post one game, the same one you posted a few times already.[/quote]

[quote=Pip00p][quote=PotatisFarfar] Well shaco is my main. But he is never the one he used to be. i have build him every way you can build him. My old build was always. ���¨ Bloodrazors : Starks : Sunfire : Sunfire : GA But with the sunfire nerfs. I have latley only played Assasin shaco. It is fun but it will not work i'f you don't get a good early game Just gonna post my scores: (cuzz i'm a big showoff!) [/quote] Lol, ya the sunfires just don't stack with the clone anymore, it sucks... I just want a solid, early-mid-late game build. If not all 3 phases of the game, at least 2 of them. I'll give your build a go, early game is random for me though haha. But thanks for your build! (Sorry I deleted your scores, too much space :P) [quote=caucheka] >my scores >only post one game, the same one you posted a few times already. [/quote] I don't quite get what you mean... lol.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]potatis said he was gonna show his scores, plural. he showed one, singular. plus i've seen it a few times before.[/quote]

[quote=Pip00p]Oh I see. You have quite the sense of humor haha. I've tested out Potatis' build, with some of my own items and tweaks added in... Its working! At least its decent enough to pub stomp. However, I find that Shaco is heavily item dependent and needs to be fed a HECK lot to be of any use until late game. I shall be running more tests and such so if anyone have any more suggestions, please post them here! P.S. I hope they buff Shaco soon, his clone is close to useless :([/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]I think jungle Shaco is the most viable atm. He needs to be that asshole who can be everywhere and nowhere at once, pops in while invisible, uses his passive to his advantage and destroys half health opponents. Of course I'm only saying this because I was destroyed by a jungle Shaco.[/quote]

[quote=Pip00p]Haha well I do get mana golem at the beginning, but I haven't thought about fully jungling. I have about 2 different builds for Shaco right now, I think I'll test jungling Shaco and give it a go and maybe it will become 3 builds! Thanks for the idea.[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]@ Potatis YOU VED BRO? : P Edit: I vorgot that your "f's" are v's.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]yeah shaco is a really good jungler. i played shaco once and i went jungling, although i suck so hard at it.[/quote]