Basic Rune Layout for AP champions

[quote=DillonMoore]Hey guys, so im about to hit level 30 on LoL, and i havent really used or put together a good rune page. ( I know, noobish me ) I play alot of AP based champions (Kennen, Brand, AP shaco) and was wondering what would be a good AP rune layout for generally most champions? Ive saved up around 15k IP to spend on making a good page. and i am quite new when it comes to figuring out how to deck out a specific champion to become OP. so any advice would be greatly appreciated. and on a side note, if anybody would like to give me some rune tips for tanks (dr mundo, rammus, amumu). i just started trying them out, and enjoy it alot. TL;DR - Need Basic Rune Layout for AP Champions. Thank you ![/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]magic pen and armor pen are very universal reds. mana regen or armor yellows are fantastic on most champions ap/lvl, CDR, or mr/lvl blues (cdr are really expensive, tho). AP Quints for sure if you play mostly AP. Other useful ones are ad, movement speed, armor pen, hp, and armor, but I'd start with AP. In general, I think I'd go with magic pen reds, mana regen yellows, ap/lvl blues, and AP quints. idk what kennen usually runs in yellows, though. I don't play him. And as for your other thing on Amumu, I run magic pen reds, defense yellows, mr/lvl blues, and defense quints. I'd venture that would be similar for Rammus. No idea for mundo.[/quote]

[quote=DillonMoore]Thank you so much, very helpful![/quote]

[quote=Zoki]I usually take Magic Pen Marks Mana Regen/level Seals AP/Level Glyphs Flat AP Quints[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Get mana regen per [b]level[/b] seals. They pass flats at level 6.[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]Well yea my bad, I use mana reg/5/level seals. Flat regen is just bad IMO and like said, they are beaten by per level ones at level 6.[/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]Disagree. 1. Pre-6 is when mana regen is most useful. Mana/lvl is really only useful in the later parts of your laning phase, but by then, advantages are usually already beginning to show (save really slow games). 2. Once teamfights start to happen, you really just conserve your mana for those, then b. Mana regen is really not very relevant at that point. 3. Mana/lvl is really only useful for later parts of the laning phase. You should have blue buff quite often post 6 ESPECIALLY in lane.[/quote]

[quote=WaffleWarrior]I run armor seals or hp/lvl seals. I don't find myself running into the lack of mana problem o.o[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Freddy Shopan] 1. Pre-6 is when mana regen is most useful. Mana/lvl is really only useful in the later parts of your laning phase, but by then, advantages are usually already beginning to show (save really slow games). 2. Once teamfights start to happen, you really just conserve your mana for those, then b. Mana regen is really not very relevant at that point. 3. Mana/lvl is really only useful for later parts of the laning phase. You should have blue buff quite often post 6 ESPECIALLY in lane. [/quote] 1. No it's not. Most casters last-hit (or should be) with autoattacks and exchange very intermittent harass in the early levels. APs will try to zone their lane opponent or force them to recall in order to get to level 6 first. When you get your ultimate and a couple small AP items, that's when you really start expending your mana quickly. It's true that you should have blue buff when possible, but you can't have it up all the time, and often times you won't get every blue of the game. You either won't get an opportunity to get it, it'll be stolen or you'll die with it and give it up. In those cases, mp5/lvl seals come in handy, as well as all the downtime between buffs. 2. A lot of mages use poke spells to weaken the enemy team, and may expend mana for counter-initiation CC. It's quite easy for a prolonged stalemate to suck up a lot of your mana. If you don't harass before the fight, that [[Gragas]] on the enemy team is going to have your team weakened and vulnerable in no time just by tossing barrels periodically. Blue buff helps again here, but it's not always accessible. 3. Some mages need the regen well past laning phase. Some casters like Anivia, Swain and Lux can be very mana starved without blue buff (which, I say again, is not always available). Mp5/lvl seals can help alleviate this weakness through all stages of the game. Some like AP Nidalee and Xerath will spend a ton of mana poking before team fights (and healing, in Nid's case). Some (actually for me, a lot) of casters [i]don't get and mp5 items[/i] in their final build, and have to rely on runes/masteries and blue buff to keep them sustained. If a few seals can allow you to get an Hourglass instead of Morello's, it's well worth it. I don't consider [[Greater Seal of Clarity]] a must-have on all mages, but I love them and find them very useful on most AP champions. If you want an alternative, I'd probably go with [[Greater Seal of Vitality]], which is what I use on [[Kennen]], or [[Greater Seal of Force]] if you'd prefer more offense. I'd only use [[Greater Seal of Resilience]] if I know for sure that I'm up against an AD mid like [[Sivir]] or [[Talon]], or MAYBE if I'm expecting some early ganks from an AD jungler. The armor is kinda nice against minion aggro though.[/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]Well, there. :P Shows how much I know. Thanks for settin' me straight.[/quote]