Eve ult question...

[quote=Diesel][quote=Drasq] Against [[evelynn]] you can still place [[vision ward]] - but when [[Shaco]] goes *POOF!* you can't see him, even with a vision ward, which is in my humble opinion broken... So yeah, [[Shaco]] outclasses [[evelynn]] at the moment [/quote] Frankly, if Shaco didn't have any CC in his kit, and relied more on Team CC or Red Buff, he wouldn't be too bad. Just the fact that Two-Shiv slows along with the fact that when in stealth, it's pretty much a guarantee to hit and Jack in the Box fear automatically gives him too much time to ruin a carry's day by himself.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]She's dead as soon as one member of the enemy team has an oracle.[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm][quote=tehAsian] A fed AP [[evelynn]] is pretty scary though... Ever try bursting a [[renekton]] through a [icon=force of nature]FoN and [icon=warmog's armor]Warmog without [[void staff]]? So basically she's good with enough skill :p [/quote] That's why you don't build AP on Evelyn past Sheen. Since she lost her stun she now plays like MAster Yi, building similar items to do roughly the same job. Also, even Stonewall puts Yi as a tier one jungler because he can clear it so fast and his invasion capability is amazing. So yes, he is a top tier jungler. Not because his ganks are good, but because it's super easy to disrupt the other jungler and put him far behind with Yi.[/quote]

[quote=Chaotic Bliss]There are many ways to counter wards and oracles. 1. Changes lanes. 2. If brush is warded, stay out of the brush. Is there are wards in the brush, they wont cover the whole lane. 3. If the ward is in the lane, get in the brush. The ward wont show you in the brush. 4. Oracles? change lanes or focus the one with the oracles. 5. But if wards are an issue, than get wards yourself. Get brush control, and this wont be an issue. Eve is not a bad champ. With the nerfs Riot gave her, she is sub-par at best. But to make up for the lack luster kit, get a smart team that will play with you, and its ok.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]Lol 'Stonwul sayz MsTr Yee's tee'er on, so I sayz he be tee'er on TWO! :D' Other champions can clear faster than him, and counter jungle better than him. Additionally, he has literally no cc, so his ganks are aweful (the main point of a jungler is to gank) and he's a squishy melee AD, which is never good. He also doesn't fit well on team comps, other than ones that include Alistar as support, because your team will be ridiculously squishy. He's all around just a bad champion. If he gets fed he will do well against a bad team, but in real play, all he can do is backdoor, which even then, is unreliable, and counterable. That being said, Evelynn is basically a weaker version of Yi, so yeah, she's pretty bad. She's really fun though, if you can manage to do well :D[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]He doesn't have the worst ganks honestly. With an "invisible" gap closer from the bushes and, if timed right, 2 attacks in an instant he can have brutal early ganks especially with the early game damage from [[Wuju style]]. He doesn't scale well into late game and that's his only real flaw as a 1trick pony.[/quote]

[quote=marxr87]Eh hem, lil off topic atm but ya I have decided to try and improve my skills by playing crap champions lol :P Mundo is pretty bad, but I do pretty well with him anyway...who are some other garbage characters that I can try to do well with?[/quote]

[quote=Dypheus][quote=marxr87] Eh hem, lil off topic atm but ya I have decided to try and improve my skills by playing crap champions lol :P Mundo is pretty bad, but I do pretty well with him anyway...who are some other garbage characters that I can try to do well with? [/quote] Just a general tip since you are new to the game. Get 1 champion which you enjoy the most. This Champ will be then your chosen. Your favorite base-ball bat. Play him as much as you can. This is a really easy way to get used to the advanced game mechanics (See this as a step 2. Step 1 should be try out all the possible heroes (Or atleast watch their spotlights/information on site),[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Lugignaf] He doesn't have the worst ganks honestly. With an "invisible" gap closer from the bushes and, if timed right, 2 attacks in an instant he can have brutal early ganks especially with the early game damage from [[Wuju style]]. He doesn't scale well into late game and that's his only real flaw as a 1trick pony. [/quote] Doesn't scale well into late-game lolwut?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]AD Yi's rotation; ALPHA-RAMBO! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE RAMBO-LANDER! RAMBO STYLE! Dead if he doesn't get at least one kill and they have CC. :/[/quote]