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[quote=Corwin323]Actually, TheJohn, I think Jeffy40Hand's remark was incredibly relevant to my goal of playing reliably. He's saying for the purposes of what I'm describing in this thread, Mordekaiser probably isn't the best pick. And to be honest, after thinking about it and analyzing some of the other champions I play in mid, they bring a lot more to the table, assuming that my teammates will be unreliable. As much as I will always love Mordekaiser, I think there are just better champions out there for gaining ELO. TheJohn, this is a discussion of playing reliably in mid-lane as Mordekaiser, I don't think that opinions on Mordekaiser being an insecure pick are at all a waste of time. Incredibly relevant, is more the term.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=TheJohn] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=TheJohn]full Tank Morde CC'd = Morde dead[/quote] Fixed that for you :D No matter how tanky you build, if more than 1 person is on you, YOU ARE DEAD. The reason i build pure damage, is because when i do, i can usually kill those two people. Also, I'm much more useful to my team when i actually deal damage, as apposed to just sitting there being ignored by the enemy team because i do no damage. [/quote] lol, so both extremes die when CC'd. Full tank has no damage and full AP has no defense. Tanky-AP is still winning, bro [/quote] No, Any mordekaiser, no matter what items you build WILL DIE if you get locked down with CC. Like, 2 second stun = dead mordekaiser, i don't care how much health/tank stats you have, you are dead. Mordekaiser has NO ESCAPES. He is the ultimate "All In, Balls to the Wall" champion, because if he goes in to a fight, he can't get out unless he kills everyone in the fight, dies, or they run away from you because you have no cc. Like, Mordekaiser is the worst hero in the game, because he can only kill people that are retarded. But he's really strong.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Like I said, he's not terrible, but you need a strong team to back him up. I'd consider him a potential counter pick to non burst/LOW sustain based champs. But that depends on your definition of burst and or low sustain.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] Like I said, he's not terrible, but you need a strong team to back him up. I'd consider him a potential counter pick to non burst/LOW sustain based champs. But that depends on your definition of burst and or low sustain. [/quote] I'd say that he counters Kassadin pretty effectively. Also, He counters champions with early game burst, and late game sustained damage. Cassiopeia/Flat Mana Ryze are perfect counters, because he is weak to early game sustained damage and late game burst.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]You mean Cass and Ryze can counter Morde? Or did I misunderstand? If you mean Morde counters Cass/Ryze I think you may be mistaken about him winning the lane against Cass, Ryze is 50/50. Between DoTs and Twin Fang from Cass, Morde's shield will almost always be down. He comes in to SoD, Cass lands Noxious Blast as he momentarily channels SoD, then follows with Twin Fang spam. It's the same reason (at least in my book) why Morganna cannot handle a well played Cass. The consistent harass and zoning by Cass makes it hard for people to find a good rythm. But it's up for debate, I just don't see Cass losing to Morde.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Morde isnt 100% dead everytime he gets CC'd... Ofc theres no escape mechanism and he wont have his shield to back him up (300-500 "Hp" at most) but seriously, thats why you get some heavy tank stuff on him. If the enemy team still focus you first while you reg Hp with Ulti, its a gg for Morde's team since the enemy team wasted CDs on the off-tank. Sure Morde's dead most of the time this way but that doesnt matter if your team wins the gang thx to that.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]At best AP Tank morde should be built (imo) Hextech Gunblade (or WoTA)/Mercs/Randuins (or FoN)/Rylai's/Abyssal/other. Hextech/WoTA for sustain/Mercs to help counter heavy CC/Randuins or FoN to help counter whatever champion is strongest on the enemy team at the moment/Abyssal to add to your MR and ofc increase your(your teams) overall damage/other to supplement whatever might be needed. Sunfire would be ideal because it has synergy with Abyssal and Creeping death. IF you're doing EXTREMELY well then either deathcap/Void Staff in place of a last defensive item.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=Temzilla] [quote=TheJohn] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=TheJohn]full Tank Morde CC'd = Morde dead[/quote] Fixed that for you :D No matter how tanky you build, if more than 1 person is on you, YOU ARE DEAD. The reason i build pure damage, is because when i do, i can usually kill those two people. Also, I'm much more useful to my team when i actually deal damage, as apposed to just sitting there being ignored by the enemy team because i do no damage. [/quote] lol, so both extremes die when CC'd. Full tank has no damage and full AP has no defense. Tanky-AP is still winning, bro [/quote] No, Any mordekaiser, no matter what items you build WILL DIE if you get locked down with CC. Like, 2 second stun = dead mordekaiser, i don't care how much health/tank stats you have, you are dead. Mordekaiser has NO ESCAPES. He is the ultimate "All In, Balls to the Wall" champion, because if he goes in to a fight, he can't get out unless he kills everyone in the fight, dies, or they run away from you because you have no cc. Like, Mordekaiser is the worst hero in the game, because he can only kill people that are retarded. But he's really strong. [/quote] So we found a champion worse than Eve. It's time to mail RIOT and tell them to add another champion to the rework list[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] At best AP Tank morde should be built (imo) Hextech Gunblade (or WoTA)/Mercs/Randuins (or FoN)/Rylai's/Abyssal/other. Hextech/WoTA for sustain/Mercs to help counter heavy CC/Randuins or FoN to help counter whatever champion is strongest on the enemy team at the moment/Abyssal to add to your MR and ofc increase your(your teams) overall damage/other to supplement whatever might be needed. Sunfire would be ideal because it has synergy with Abyssal and Creeping death. IF you're doing EXTREMELY well then either deathcap/Void Staff in place of a last defensive item. [/quote] If you DO build mordekaiser as AP-Tank, I HIGHLY recommend [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Mordekaiser/?items=109,22,105,70,116,84&runes=11,11,11,11,11,11,11,11,11,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,53,53,53&masteries=0040040001000000013304001000332010000000000000000&level=18]this[/url]: [icon=Mercury's Treads Size=32][icon=Will of the Ancients Size=32][icon=Randuin's Omen Size=32][icon=Abyssal Scepter Size=32][icon=Rylai's Crystal Scepter Size=32][icon=Zhonya's Hourglass Size=32] [quote=TheJohn] So we found a champion worse than Eve. It's time to mail RIOT and tell them to add another champion to the rework list [/quote] No, see, Eve is bad because her kit is underpowered. Mordekaiser is bad, because if you go into a fight, and suddenly another d00d appears and it will make you lose that fight, you can't run. You have to commit fully to an attack. As a champion, he is good, he just requires extremely strong decision making in order to play to his fullest. He is hard to play in an even game because it's hard to judge fights effectively.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Aside from hourglass that's how I'd build him. Some early damage+sustain, then mid game durability, then utility, then make a choice between more damage (which is a good option) or more durable (a less optimal choice if you want to generate your shield quickly, but increases your chances to be around a whole fight thuse dealing more damage in the long run) Meaning "you can't DPS if you're dead"[/quote]