Darius Theorycrafting

[quote=Jpikachu1999]You sure as hell don't build him full tank. You only need like [[Frozen Mallet]], [[Guardian Angel]], and [[Maw of Malmortius]].[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]He's a damage dealer with no sustain. There's a number of champions who handily beat damage dealers with no sustain :P[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Yeah he doesn't auto win lane at all.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=elementz][[Darius]] added to tier 2 - I feel that he's actually not a bad bruiser top lane because of the damage he can dish out early game and the basic "Free kills" as soon as your jungler shows up top lane. His damage out put is CRAZY high and you don't even need to build him super DPS heavy. You can go almost full tank and still dish out a lot of damage, and using your ultimate to finish off anyone who's low. I think he's pretty good so I am playing him into tier 2.[/quote] Didn't I mention tank [[darius]] before? He is [[nasus]] which doesn't need farm and has a great early.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=NicknameMy] [quote=elementz][[Darius]] added to tier 2 - I feel that he's actually not a bad bruiser top lane because of the damage he can dish out early game and the basic "Free kills" as soon as your jungler shows up top lane. His damage out put is CRAZY high and you don't even need to build him super DPS heavy. You can go almost full tank and still dish out a lot of damage, and using your ultimate to finish off anyone who's low. I think he's pretty good so I am playing him into tier 2.[/quote] Didn't I mention tank [[darius]] before? He is [[nasus]] which doesn't need farm and has a great early. [/quote] Which is pretty much the same as tank [[Garen]] who does a shit ton of damage early, no damage late, and just kill steals with ult. Also, [[Darius]]'s passive scales with AD, so I seriously don't understand why you wouldn't build him with at least 150 bonus AD. Getting only 70 damage over 5 seconds at 5 stacks is really bad. It only helps his ult, which, if I haven't said before, killsteals as a tank. Kills in the hands of a tank are less effective than in the hands of a carry.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, pros play him tanky, abuse his tankyness. You can see the same on champs like [[ahri]], [[jax]], etc.. Building as tanky as possible while still dealing good dmg is the meta.[/quote]

[quote=Adovid]Not saying it's worth it but if his passive is single target wouldn't having a rylai's crystal scepter permaslow enemies? He could be like sejuani if you want him as a cc tank using that method.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ Uhmmm, hmmm it seems wasteful at a glance for the 80 AP that you aren't using. I think Randuin's is a much better option defensively, and the CC is better. Fromal Maw Randuin's GA or Atma's (Or both) is an invincible Darius. I also like Frozen heart quite a bit on Darius.[/quote]

[quote=Adovid]"Fixed a bug with Hemorrhage applying Rylai's Crystal Scepter slow and Spell Vamp effects." http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/draven-patch-notes Ah well that answers my question. Maybe that's also why darius seemed strong when he was with spellcasters that had [[will of the ancients]].[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=NicknameMy] Well, pros play him tanky, abuse his tankyness. You can see the same on champs like [[ahri]], [[jax]], etc.. Building as tanky as possible while still dealing good dmg is the meta. [/quote] His skills scale off of AD extremely well. Why not abuse that as well? That's like saying to abuse [[Riven]] for her tankiness because she still deals decent damage. Yes, she does, but she does about 4 times more if you build her AD. [[Crippling Strike]] will do like 200 damage late game, that's like nothing late game. [[Hemorrhage]] will do 36 damage per stack, 180 damage over 5 seconds at max stacks. Whereas, with just a [[The Bloodthirster]] and [[Maw of Malmortius]], you get 92 damage per stack. I know, people are like "You don't look at the numbers, you look at how each of them is used". It's just the fact that I'd rather do 600 damage with my W late game, 460 damage with my passive at max stacks, and why not abuse the enormous ratios of his ult as well? His ult is 1.75 AD scaling at max stacks on his passive. Again, with just a fully stacked BT and Maw, you are getting 271 extra [b]true[/b] damage. I just don't understand why everyone is building practically full tank, maybe at Atma's and FM. He has such good AD ratios, why not use them?[/quote]