Darius: OP or no?

[quote=Opaque_Shadow][quote=Arcana3] No one in the game SHOULD be able to do that much true damage [/quote] AD [[corki]] can do far more true damage that that overall to several champs in extended teamfights, yet noe one has claimed that his passive is OP. The defense you're making is "OHHH look at the big number, it must be too strong!" but with decidedly more intelligence. 800 instantaneous damage amounts to jack shit compared to the raw power a fully farmed/itemized [[corki]] can bring to bear in team fights, not to mention the fact the the damage from our flying friend will matter a lot more. [[darius]] is a pub stomping kill stealer, nothing more. He doesnt really have what it takes to matter in team fights unless hes running cleanup for a mostly AoE or CC centric team comp. Edit: a [[corki]] with [[infinity edge]], [[the bloodthirster]] (fully stacked), [[trinity force]], [[last whisper]], [[berserker's greaves]], and a [[maw of malmortius]], has 413.95 AD * .1 = 41.395 True Damage per auto attack. Let's assume that a "long" team fight lasts for 30 seconds. At maximum AS (which [[corki]] will have) you will attack 75 times assuming you auto attack the whole engagement. 75 * 41.395 = [color=#ff0000][u]3104.625 TRUE DAMAGE[/u][/color] just fyi, [[darius]] ain't shit.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Arcana3] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=JekeTeMata] My personal opinion is that the champ is strong, but that ulti is extremely OP imo. I really can't understand how you can design an Execution skill and reward it with insta CD when killing, wich is what it is supposed to do. Imo Darius ult should not refresh on kill, in fact it should punish the user when fail to kill with it by an increased cooldown. Seriously, can you imagine Garen's ulti refreshing its CD when killing? or Riven's active part of her ulti refreshing CD on killing? Sounds stupid, that's Darius ulti. Apart from this I like the champion idea and skillset, and I will probably purchase him if he gets balanced, but I don't like to abuse OP stuff. [/quote] His ultimate isn't OP since it has the sole purpose of executing people and doing it again. This gives it no utility and a very specific window of opportunity. Additionally, in order for the ultimate to actually work as an execute; he needs to prepare his target with sufficient stacks of [[Hemorrhage]]. In lane, the ultimate is very strong but in teamfights it serves no other purpose but to clean up. [/quote] The amount of time it takes to get stacks of [[Hemorrhage]] on one champion, doesn't take that long. [[Daruis]] can just grap, 1 stack, Spin, another, W, another, AA, and then R. Even if not at full stacks of [[Hemorrhage]] the True damage just dealt (At Max) 800+ True damage... And if they died, well uh, your screwed. The problem with him, is that he can GET THOSE STACKS way to easily. Yes he is an Executioner, but that doesn't mean he should just deal 800 true damage 1 go. And for team fight presence? Psh, get rid of the AD carry or AP carry, or both and die, well guess what, your team cleans up... So yeah... He's pretty op. No one in the game SHOULD be able to do that much true damage, in such a short amount of time. And from my knowledge the Ulti CAN crit... So yeah >.> [/quote] His E doesn't apply a stack, his W deals no damage on its own unless you have aquired sufficient AD and his R, for the records, deals 680 true damage + 1.5 bonus AD with [b]5[/b] stacks! This means that, in order to deal at least 800 true damage at level 16, we need at least 80 Bonus AD with 5 stacks of [[Hemorrhage]]. Also, you are ignoring the fact that true damage is easily countered by simply getting a health item. A [[Ruby Crystal]] would require [[Darius]] to get 116 Bonus AD to negate that. Long story short, [[Darius]] is not OP due to the fact that his kit restricts him highly in his build and renders his teamfight potential quite low. Other notes: [list] [*] [[Crippling Strike]] CANNOT crit, at least the bonus damage is not modified. [*] His ult can't crit, where did you got that from? It doesn't proc on-hit effects and thus cannot crit. [/list][/quote]

[quote=koksei]He isn't op. By no means oO His ult is strong and the resetting is strong but just pick a strong/ranged top and you win: Kennen, Yorick, Lee, Riven, Nidalee etc.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Luther3000] [quote=FalseoGod] Normal games make Xin Zhao seem op simply because people dunno what kitting means nor just how vulnerable he is to CC. Riot can't go on a nerfing spree based on normal games or we might as well shut down akali, mordekaiser, fiora, trynda, jax, nocturne, [/quote] The funny thing is that every champion you mentioned here has been massively nerfed at some point except Fiora. Xin especially was nerfed over and over again, to the point he's now useless. [/quote] Let's put it this way: nothing will ever be as OP as Twisted Fate when he was released.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=FalseoGod] [quote=Luther3000] [quote=FalseoGod] Normal games make Xin Zhao seem op simply because people dunno what kitting means nor just how vulnerable he is to CC. Riot can't go on a nerfing spree based on normal games or we might as well shut down akali, mordekaiser, fiora, trynda, jax, nocturne, [/quote] The funny thing is that every champion you mentioned here has been massively nerfed at some point except Fiora. Xin especially was nerfed over and over again, to the point he's now useless. [/quote] Let's put it this way: nothing will ever be as OP as Twisted Fate when he was released. [/quote] [[Vladimir]] likes to have a word with you. huehue[/quote]

[quote=animorte][quote=Opaque_Shadow] Let's assume that a "long" team fight lasts for 30 seconds. At maximum AS (which [[corki]] will have) you will attack 75 times assuming you auto attack the whole engagement. 75 * 41.395 = [color=#ff0000][u]3104.625 TRUE DAMAGE[/u][/color] just fyi, [[darius]] ain't shit. [/quote] Just so you know (with the 800+ true damage), if Darius were to ult just 4 times [i](minimum, triple kill)[/i] in that one team fight, it would be [color=#ff0000]3200+ True Damage[/color]. If he managed to get 5 [i](minimum quadra kill)[/i], it would be [color=#ff0000]4000+ True Damage[/color]. Just saying. [[Tristana]] and [[Katarina]] refresh cooldowns on kills. Nobody complains about them and they do potentially more damage without even needing stacks... And both have more range...[/quote]

[quote=JekeTeMata][quote=animorte] [quote=Opaque_Shadow] Let's assume that a "long" team fight lasts for 30 seconds. At maximum AS (which [[corki]] will have) you will attack 75 times assuming you auto attack the whole engagement. 75 * 41.395 = [color=#ff0000][u]3104.625 TRUE DAMAGE[/u][/color] just fyi, [[darius]] ain't shit. [/quote] Just so you know (with the 800+ true damage), if Darius were to ult just 4 times [i](minimum, triple kill)[/i] in that one team fight, it would be [color=#ff0000]3200+ True Damage[/color]. If he managed to get 5 [i](minimum quadra kill)[/i], it would be [color=#ff0000]4000+ True Damage[/color]. Just saying. [[Tristana]] and [[Katarina]] refresh cooldowns on kills. Nobody complains about them and they do potentially more damage without even needing stacks... And both have more range... [/quote] Are you really trying to defend that imba insta CD by comparing it to [[Katarina]] and (ROFL) [[Tristana]] seriously? Nobody complains about Tristana refresh cause she just resets [[Rocket Jump]] CD, I think I don't need to explain why that's not comparable with Darius ult, but just in case: Darius ult is a FINISHER WITH MASSIVE DAMAGE, Tristana's Rocket Jump is an ESCAPE/CHASE SKILL WITH MODERATE DAMAGE... And about [[Katarina]], please dude, she just refreshes 15 secs from a 60/55/50 CD on her ulti, [[Shunpo]] and the other abilities get full CD reset but they are not dealing even half damage of Darius ult can deal... So from where you bring that they do "potentially more damage"? and more when you already stated that Darius can deal up to 4000+ TRUE damage, explain yourself please... Also you are wrong about minimun triplekill/quadrakill cause he doesn't even need to score the kill, if he gets the assist within 0,5 secs after using ult on target it resets too...[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]Sorry, just gonna skip some pages here since it's a lot for me to read. All I'm going to say is that Darius is honestly not OP. Please don't take offense but like Morello said, people at "lower ELO's" don't know how to deal with him yet. Darius is a very strong snowballer and this is what most of the LoL community is experiencing at the moment. If you play properly and don't get him fed, he's a slightly stronger version of Katarina but deals physical damage with a decent DOT. Those who argue about Darius getting a ult reset off and spamming it, it's like complaining about Katarina getting a reset from an assist/kill and massacre-ing everyone in sight. It's gonna happen at times, try your best to avoid it.[/quote]

[quote=JekeTeMata][quote=Xaioli] Sorry, just gonna skip some pages here since it's a lot for me to read. All I'm going to say is that Darius is honestly not OP. Please don't take offense but like Morello said, people at "lower ELO's" don't know how to deal with him yet. Darius is a very strong snowballer and this is what most of the LoL community is experiencing at the moment. If you play properly and don't get him fed, he's a slightly stronger version of Katarina but deals physical damage with a decent DOT. Those who argue about Darius getting a ult reset off and spamming it, it's like complaining about Katarina getting a reset from an assist/kill and massacre-ing everyone in sight. It's gonna happen at times, try your best to avoid it. [/quote] As I said in the above post Darius insta CD is not comparable at all with Katarina's one neither with Yi's and for sure no way to compare it with Tristana's one...[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yes, and just like when you said it before, you're absolutely incorrect to say that it isn't comparable, because it most certainly is very comparable.[/quote]