Graves Ulti a little lack-lustre...

[quote=Luther3000]Lane with Leona/Taric/Blitz, instagib enemies all day.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]On it's own in the laning phase the damage isn't too impressive, but like people have mentioned, it's AoE, has a long range and has great scaling. In the laning phase, it's just a very nice addition to his burst potential. If you get in someones face and use Q and that ult the burst is pretty disgusting for an AD carry.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Khazem] In the laning phase, it's just a very nice addition to his burst potential. If you get in someones face and use Q and that ult the burst is pretty disgusting for an AD carry. [/quote] Pretty much this. The 2 times you want to use it in the laning phase is to snipe someone getting away, because it's fast and long range, and as an extra burst move at the start of your combo so it's harder to dodge. It's also important to have at least one or two Doran's blades, even if you're absolutely winning the lane, or an early BF Sword. Or both. You scale too well to not have as much AD as possible.[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade][quote=Luther3000] [quote=The Overmyynd] especially when compared to other spells like [[chum the waters]], [[primordial burst]], [[noxian guillotine]], et cetera. Even other spells that have their damage reduced per target because they are meant to hit multiple targets like [[requiem]] seem to do much more damage than Graves ulti. [/quote] Holy shit, an AD carry does less damage with his skills than a burst assassin AP carry? STOP THE PRESSES, MY MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN. :P [/quote] ^this ads are supposed to get main damage from auto attack. for graves use your Q[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Ok... so what i've basically gotten from this is, Keep the AD runes and marks for the power on [[buckshot]] and [[collateral damage]] since the scaling is ridicullous, stack [[bloodthirster]]s, and stop expecting so much. Oh, and just to clarify, i said i only got madreds if everyone on the enemy team is sstacking health like a mofo. Sound about right?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]If the only thing you're going to do in the entire game is ult, here you go: [icon=the bloodthirster][icon=the bloodthirster][icon=the bloodthirster][icon=the bloodthirster][icon=the bloodthirster][icon=last whisper] If you want to play like a real AD carry: [icon=berserker's greaves][icon=infinity edge][icon=phantom dancer][icon=the bloodthirster][icon=last whisper][icon=guardian angel] And yes, you shouldn't expect much from an AD carry ult. As far as I'm concerned, the only AD carries with strong ultimates are Ashe and Varus, both of which are used for utility over damage. Any pure damage ult from an AD carry is bound to be weaker than an ability from an AP carry. Plus the E-Q-auto-R-auto combo is actually pretty strong if you're bursting an enemy carry.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]Even if everyone is stacking health/armor you should probably just buy [[last whisper]]. It will do more damage than madred's with your other items. People usually have a fair amount of magic resist by the point you would buy madred's / lw so the magic damage of % health will tickle. Whereas if you buy LW your auto attacks and physical damage spells will be buffed. Much better. I never really see a reason to buy Madred's on an AD carry.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]^I agree. If for some reason the entire enemy team has really low armor, you can just get [[The Black Cleaver]] and completely destroy them.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]OK. Thanks alot guys, appreciate the help :D[/quote]