[Morgana] another tank?

[quote=Pheyniex]This is something that intigues me. In my only guide I stated a situation I only managed to witness once. Therefore, I'd like to expand my experience and theory with this comunity. However, I know this post might be shortlived. =) The deal is: instead of going for [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] you go for extreme tankiness early, so your other laners/jungler (btw, [[Morgana]] can jungle, so we shall ignore that because these build imply loads fo farm). Possible items to build: [[Spirit Visage]] [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] [[Rod of Ages]] [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Frozen Heart]] Earlygame you may start boots if you are still unsure what to build, or other specific reason. that game i did that. as I was unsure about future engagements, post laning, I got [[Mercury's Treads]], [[Catalyst The Protector]], [[Chalice of Harmony]], [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] and [[Glacial Shroud]]. This, as you can see, requires farm, but gets the job done. ALso, I think [[Abyssal Scepter]] and [[Spirit Visage]] could be introduced against AP-heavy or simply for more sustain. maybe trade [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] for [[Spirit Visage]] if somehow needed. Also, it could be interesting to see [[Spirit Visage+]] [[Warmog's Armor]]on her. Not sure if you can fit [[Will of the Ancients]] or if a support/ap-carry should have it. What are your opinions? How viable you think it is and how much freedom of item choice you think there is?[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Depends on the damage income from the rest of your team[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=FalseoGod] Depends on the damage income from the rest of your team [/quote] ofc. the topic is behond that. I mean, how viable she is as a tank, and what items should be mandatory/optional.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]She has a very decent tankish nature, her main problem would be a full-on initiate that many other tanks have in them (usually their ultis). Flashing and pressing R with her just won't be as devastating. That said, she can bring in tons of utility. I'd say start [[Rod of Ages]] to facilitate your lane phase (also for it's passive), and then to begin considerations: a) Is lane phase still going on? - If enemy team has many strong APs, consider either [[Spirit Visage]] or [[Force of Nature]] (for excessive AP sources, say 2/3's of their damage income being AP based); - If not, start farming [[ZHonya's Hourglass]]; b) Lane phase over? - Begin [[Frozen Heart]]; - Consider [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] and a good MR Item. - Build from there; things are REALLY relative at this point, there's a crap ton of items you can use ([[SHurelya's Reverie]] to initiate if no one else has any alternative, plus nice HP and CDR, Warmog's if you already have nice base resistances and were already tanking like a beast, [[Randuin's Omen]] for dem gap closer melee AD's, etc) I personally disagree with both [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] and [[WIll of the Ancients]] on her: post RoA, Morgana's mana issues are very small, I don't even remember feeling them at that point. [[Frozen Heart]] can help with it if necessary. And WoTA is generaly a meh item on champs with inbuilt Spellvamp (Morgana and Swain specifically, I like it on Fiddlesticks) since you get a lesser percentage of that Spellvamp when you could just get damage outcome from elsewhere and make better use of what you have (Plus, Morg's spellvamp is more of a lane thing).[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Why go tank when you can go ap? 3 ways to effectively build her. 1: The tons of DAMAGE way: Abyssal, Hourglass, Rabadon's(throw in 2-3 doran's rings) 2: The right into the teamfights way. Hourglass, Abyssal, Rabadon's 3: The i'm gonna be passive as fuck and not deal that much damage in teamfights before lategame way. RoA, leading into one of the above. And as a bonus, the BALLZ TO THE WALLZ WAY! 1,5: Abyssal, Rabadon's, Hourglass.[/quote]

[quote=Otaku108][quote=Pølsemanden] Why go tank when you can go ap?[/quote] I think that should be obvious; "Because I can". On topic, the idea is sound, but I'd have to see it in action to decide just how viable it would actually be for competitive play. As someone already stated you wouldn't be much of an initiator but more like the executioner's axe if a good Sona or Malph ult nabbed the whole team. I'd consider dropping Zhonya's for Abyssal since you're tanky already the need for 2 seconds of invuln seems almost pointless.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]If there is no other iniciator I think you should get [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] since you may barely survive with [[Black Shield]].[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Otaku108] [quote=Pølsemanden] Why go tank when you can go ap?[/quote] I think that should be obvious; "Because I can". On topic, the idea is sound, but I'd have to see it in action to decide just how viable it would actually be for competitive play. As someone already stated you wouldn't be much of an initiator but more like the executioner's axe if a good Sona or Malph ult nabbed the whole team. I'd consider dropping Zhonya's for Abyssal since you're tanky already the need for 2 seconds of invuln seems almost pointless. [/quote] What? Abyssal is one of the items giving you most damage up front on almost any ap, it also helps you a ton in lane since mr is OP in lane. Thoose 3 builds are THE only way to successfully build a morgana. Throw a doran's ring or 2 in there if ya feel like it.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=Otaku108] [quote=Pølsemanden] Why go tank when you can go ap?[/quote] I think that should be obvious; "Because I can". On topic, the idea is sound, but I'd have to see it in action to decide just how viable it would actually be for competitive play. As someone already stated you wouldn't be much of an initiator but more like the executioner's axe if a good Sona or Malph ult nabbed the whole team. I'd consider dropping Zhonya's for Abyssal since you're tanky already the need for 2 seconds of invuln seems almost pointless. [/quote] What? Abyssal is one of the items giving you most damage up front on almost any ap, it also helps you a ton in lane since mr is OP in lane. Thoose 3 builds are THE only way to successfully build a morgana. Throw a doran's ring or 2 in there if ya feel like it. [/quote] but the point her should be tanking, not really dealing damage.[/quote]