The Mana Build

[quote=Pheyniex]"What is it?" you might ask? Well, you basically build mana, and I easily find myself building this set, mainly on offtanks. The obvious guy that loves it is [[Blitzcrank]] as it is the recomended build and lets him go AD or AP, considering you can trade [[Trinity Force]] for [[Lich Bane]] and [[Manamune]] for [[Archangel's Staff]]. [[Ryze]] too takes something from it. The core mana build is this (AD): [[Manamune]] [[Frozen Heart]] [[Banshee's Veil]] [[Trinity Force]] The champions I often see myself building this on are: [[Nasus]], [[Blitzcrank]], [[Urgot]], [[Yorick]] Never got to try on: [[Irelia]], [[Udyr]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Alistar]] Ap options: [[Ryze]], [[Singed]] ([[Tear of the Goddess]] will take ages to charge but whatever)... DO you have any opinion about this build style? Since there are not many options, probably there may be a hard time to find the utility you really need and might take a bit of time to be really effective. Also, each champion seems to like to finish [[Manamune]] soon like [[Urgot]], however [[Nasus]] not so much. How often do you build this? Is it only on a few particular champions or on a wide range of them? How good do you acctually find it to be? Upsides, Downsides?[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]let's hope I never get in a game with you when you're playing nasus -_-[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade]id use it never[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]I expected serious answers, as in "why".... ALso, I don't always build [[Nasus]] that way. SO....?[/quote]

[quote=Jaraxle87]i love this build on Yorick it works so well. just finish up with some more defense items and you got a decently powerful tank.......I feel like blitz does better with a support build though[/quote]

[quote=Shadow_Light]I often build Blitzcrank like this but I think that it's not viable for all tanks like Nasus because it lacks of defensive stats like health and magic resist. I'd say there are always many options to build each champ and that is one of them. If build like this or not is just personal preference.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]that's a serious answer, your builds are awful[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]Moon how about you explain why other options are better / better itemized? Also calm down. I feel like it could work but the main thing is lots of offtanks aren't mana hungry really, so the mana is a bit wasted.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=Mooninites] that's a serious answer, your builds are awful [/quote] even saying "builds" makes me unsure you really mean it. [quote=Mowen]Moon how about you explain why other options are better / better itemized? Also calm down. I feel like it could work but the main thing is lots of offtanks aren't mana hungry really, so the mana is a bit wasted.[/quote] Yes, taking the example of Lee Sin. Tear of the Goddess would be stupid. it's there for the fun of it, basically. I really was looking for a serious take on Irelia or Udyr.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Until manamune lets you shoot laser beams from your eyes that deal % health true damage it won't be worth it. Even on "mana hungry" champs, the pay off is not worth the cost. 1650g you can get BF sword which is 45 AD. For 2200g you get Manamune which when fully stacked is 47 AD barring additional mana sources. You're paying 550g more for an additional 2 AD...2 AD you can only acquire after spamming abilities. The estimated for 4 mana every 3 seconds. (Assuming your spells were always 3 seconds apart) it would take 12.5 minutes of straight spamming to fully stack it. In game time assuming you aren't always spamming it's closer to ~25 minutes to fully stack. (If my math was correct) 2200g is roughly 100 minions. Getting double doran's is 950g for 20 AD, 6% life steal, 160 HP. BF Sword+ Vamp Scepter is 45 AD+10% life steal that is 2100g. Both combinations are more likely to keep your damage and survivability higher than manamune in lane. Is that a good enough explanation as to why a mana build can not be as effective as the current ADC meta build? As for mana on Ryze, his damage is directly modified by his maximum mana throug abilities. That is why AA/FH/other mana items, are extremely worthwhile on him.[/quote]