People in the USA should vote

[quote=Canoas][quote=Pølsemanden] yeah! and it worked for like 70 years in the soviet union.. His point is definately incorrect cwutididthar? [/quote] There's a big difference between totalitarianism and socialism.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=Canoas] [quote=throatslasher]Listen, you guys can sit here and speculate about venture capitalism all you want. Almost everything said here is blatantly incorrect. I've known several venture capitalists in my lifetime, and I'm quite business-literate thanks to my BA in business. Long story short, if you're not in the world, don't speculate and posture on an internet board about it. None of you really know what's going on.[/quote] Suuuuure [quote=throatslasher]Second, can we all pay attention to whichever guy said that socialism is good and it works? That was the biggest bombshell of this thread and everyone ignored it. Go ask Europe how socialism is working out for them.[/quote] Socialism is working pretty well actually. Sweden, Japan, Norway, etc. have the best quality of life. Take a look at the US now, how shitty is that? You guys even had to shut down the space program lol 15.9 on the income 10% equality ratio and 8.4 on the 20% lol. Yep, you guys are doing really great. Everyone must be really happy over there. [/quote] SWEDEN JAPAN AND NORWAY DON'T HAVE THE GDP WE DO, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE 30+ MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND COUNTING. The system is being drained, and our wages are being driven lower and lower by people that shouldn't be here. I'm from Texas, and I'm all for cheap labor, but there has to be a cut-off. If you want to break the rules and sneak in the country, fine. You can pick our vegetables, but STAY AWAY FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION JOBS. Illegal immigrants RUINED the blue collar jobs, turning good, honest professions and turning them into minimum wage sleep-factories. Our roads are terrible, and constantly being repaired (poorly). But you get what you pay for. Foremans and the city dont' want to pay white people 15 bucks an hour to do a good job when they can pay Julio 5 bucks an hour to half-ass a job that someone will have to come back later in one month to fix again. I have nothing against Mexicans. They are honest, hard-working people that are just trying to make a better life for their families. I blame the corrupt Mexican government that is so far gone that their citizens decide to jump ship instead of staying to make THEIR country better. tl;dr Yeah, Japan and Sweden would collapse with half the number of illegal immigrants that we do. And Japan is getting DESTROYED by capitalist china in the past 2 decades. Get a grip.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]"The goal of Socialism is to make the incomes of everyone equal. Unfortunately, history has shown that when that happens, everyone is equally POOR. When the government confiscates the rewards of enterprise, there is no incentive to achieve anything. Why bother to work hard if the government will give you an equivalent lifestyle if you sleep through school and sit on the beach? Obama's 'Utopia' reminds me of an old Russian joke under the collapsed former Soviet Union; "The government pretends to pay us a living wage, and we pretend to work"."[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]^ I like this guy.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]@throatslasher there are several types of socialism, just like there are several types of oranges. Just because one type of oranges is sour doesn't mean the rest are as well. Right now the best countries in the world are socialists. There is plenty of evidence to support that, just take a look at the basic quality of life indicators.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]Wanna throw out some numbers and names of countries canoas? Or are you going to hide behind "well i think they're doing okay because it's what I believe". :3[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]there was a thread some time ago where I posted the several indicators of the countries of those who asked. Canada, Sweden, USA, etc. USA was nowhere near the others. You can either go look for that topic or google it yourself. Start by looking at the income equality index and the intentional homicide rate. Those are always my favourite.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=throatslasher] tl;dr Yeah, Japan and Sweden would collapse with half the number of illegal immigrants that we do. And Japan is getting DESTROYED by capitalist china in the past 2 decades. Get a grip.[/quote] Obviously. USA is 22 times bigger than Sweden. I do believe we might be able to handle 1/22 of them though. Sweden is one of the countries who accepts the most immigrants in Europe (possibly even in the world, for our size). Don't be too haughty.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=Canoas] there was a thread some time ago where I posted the several indicators of the countries of those who asked. Canada, Sweden, USA, etc. USA was nowhere near the others. You can either go look for that topic or google it yourself. Start by looking at the income equality index and the intentional homicide rate. Those are always my favourite. [/quote] Sooo you have no proof. Got it![/quote]

[quote=Canoas][quote=Toshabi] Sooo you have no proof. Got it! [/quote] Now the baby is in denial. As long as you don't start crying I'm happy.[/quote]