People in the USA should vote

[quote=Searz][quote=Toshabi] Sooo you have no proof. Got it![/quote] For the record, I remember that thread where he posted statistics. Not which one it was, just that there was one.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]I doesn't really matter whether I posted the statistic or not, it's very easy to find them on the internet. I even named two of the indexes, all you need to do is copy paste it into google.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]I wanna actually see the proof. Beating the us economy atm is ezpz but i wanna see a country where socialism is legitimately supporting the people as a whole while allowing people to exceed past others if they put enough gusto into it. Also im on a smartphone, thats why i want you to post your proof.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]No system is perfect, but I believe we've got a pretty good socialistic(?) system in Sweden.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]That's mostly because sweden didn't have to worry to much about war debts like the rest of europe did.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]on the point of what is actually going to be done, i doubt Romney will make a decent progress for the USA. Obama has too many obstacles to what he wants to achieve. I wouldnt stand for a Romney precidency, though. Also, Romney seems to have shown himself as a diplomatic disaster already. also, it's lovely to see people arguing about ideals with over 100 years. lets face it. Socialism is easily taken advantage of, and capitalism needs hard regulation and was implemented with a enourmous headstart to a few. actually, CEO's today make no decisions that justify their earnings. Modern CEO's work in packs and many companies from the same area of business make the same choices.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Yes the problem is Obama has too many obstacles, thats it. Let's just ignore the colossal failure his 4 years of presidency has been and give him another 4 because despite being totally incompetent of fulfilling any meaningful promises in the first one, what he really needs is another 4 years to finish what he hasn't already achieved [quote=canoas] Right now the best countries in the world are socialists. There is plenty of evidence to support that, just take a look at the basic quality of life indicators. [/quote] those are pretty heavily skewed and really don't have any proof to justify them as they're opinion based on what quality of life details[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=Pheyniex] on the point of what is actually going to be done, i doubt Romney will make a decent progress for the USA. Obama has too many obstacles to what he wants to achieve. I wouldnt stand for a Romney precidency, though. Also, Romney seems to have shown himself as a diplomatic disaster already. also, it's lovely to see people arguing about ideals with over 100 years. lets face it. Socialism is easily taken advantage of, and capitalism needs hard regulation and was implemented with a enourmous headstart to a few. actually, CEO's today make no decisions that justify their earnings. Modern CEO's work in packs and many companies from the same area of business make the same choices. [/quote] What obstacles? his own incompetence? Obama has done nothing but spend for 4 years straight, and where are we? unemployment over 8% (more like 15 right now) for 40+ straight months. Obama is a diplomatic success? Tell that to Libya. they invaded the consulate and murdered the US diplomat there. They sure do love US under Obama. "capitalism needs hard regulation and was implemented with a enourmous headstart to a few." Yeah tell that to zuckerberg. Poor college student to multi-billionaire in a few years. You talk like a poor person. There are people that are broke, and people that are poor. Broke people are in a rough spot and work hard to achieve and make opportunities for themselves. poor people piss and moan about how other people got a head start. Get a life. "also, it's lovely to see people arguing about ideals with over 100 years." Nice engrish. "Obama has too many obstacles to what he wants to achieve." You know, If he accomplished a single thing during his 1st term, or better yet, several, this would hold water. All he did was rack up 5 trillion in debt, fail to pass a budget, and pass obamacare. Woo! Obamacare! the bill that was labeled a TAX by the supreme court. Great! Obama passed his tax![/quote]

[quote=Canoas]? Quality of life is pretty easy to measure. Income equality, life expectancy, infant death rate, homicides per capita, gender equality, unemployment rate, etc. Those are all good indicator for quality of life. This is not an opinion but a fact.[/quote]

[quote=NinjaGinge]I hate politics and everything around them, everyone who knows me knows I am close to as apathetic about all things political as can possibly be. I have never voted and have never had any desire to do so... Until this year. I will be voting Obama because I am scared as shit about Romney and everything about his party this year. So far I have heard more ignorant, absurd and just overall horrifying things from their mouths than anything I have ever heard. I'm absolutely terrified at the prospect of them winning. I could give a damn about what people say as to Obama's success or shortcomings, because he entered this stage during this shitshow and has been doing his best to handle it ever since. I don't trust ANY statistics because 99.99% are skewed.[/quote]