attack damage and armorpen runes

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Pølsemanden] Arpen on champs that reduce enemy armor. AD on champs that can't. [/quote] [[draven]], [[ezreal]] and [[corki]] beg to differ.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Luther3000] [quote=Pølsemanden] Arpen on champs that reduce enemy armor. AD on champs that can't. [/quote] [[draven]], [[ezreal]] and [[corki]] beg to differ. [/quote] Ezreal, wut?[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]AD is mainly just for last hitting and because they scale better once you get Last Whisper. Some champions will benefit more from having some armor penetration in their early/mid game, like Ashe, Caitlyn, Draven, Ezreal, Miss Fortune Champs like Graves, Sivir, Corki will usually want full AD cause they all have good AD scalings (Graves huge AD scalings on Q and R, Sivir on Q and W and Corki on his passive) And then there's champions like Tristana, Kog'maw and Vayne who want their early/mid game to be farming phases and they will usually benefit more from full AD for easier last hitting and better lategame scaling.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Pølsemanden] Ezreal, wut? [/quote] ArP is super good on Ez.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=IceCreamy] AD is better because it scales with abilities. Only on AD champs with bad scalings, you should take ArPen runes. For AD carries AD runes are better because usually you will buy [[Last Whisper]], rendering flat ArPen useless. [/quote] Did a little bit of math for you. Graves is considered an "AD caster" we're going to look at his damage with ad/arp runes okay? Level 6 graves, Berserkers + 2 Dorans, with Level 3 Q, Level 2 E, Level 1 R. First, AA dps against an average target with 50 armor at level 6. With quickdraw, 6 arp and 15 ad from runes, your AA dps is 89.2 Your Q does 268 damage with three shells, and your R does 290 to the first target. With quickdraw, 15 arp, and 7 ad from runes, your AA dps is 90.7 Your Q does 286 damage with three shells, and your R does 311 to the first target. Your argument is that LW makes AD runes do more damage right? Well, lets go full build against a 200 armor target. With Quickdraw, 15 AD, and full build, your AA dps is 616.1 Your Q does 404 damage, and your R does 462 damage. With Quickdraw, 15 ArP, 6 ad, and full build, your AA dps is 627.0 Your Q does 415 damage, and your R does 475 damage. 15 arp does more damage than 15 ad at all relevant stages of the game on the HIGHEST AD SCALING AD CARRY IN THE GAME...[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Them Mathz Too stronk[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Temzilla] [quote=IceCreamy] AD is better because it scales with abilities. Only on AD champs with bad scalings, you should take ArPen runes. For AD carries AD runes are better because usually you will buy [[Last Whisper]], rendering flat ArPen useless. [/quote] Did a little bit of math for you. Graves is considered an "AD caster" we're going to look at his damage with ad/arp runes okay? Level 6 graves, Berserkers + 2 Dorans, with Level 3 Q, Level 2 E, Level 1 R. First, AA dps against an average target with 50 armor at level 6. With quickdraw, 6 arp and 15 ad from runes, your AA dps is 89.2 Your Q does 268 damage with three shells, and your R does 290 to the first target. With quickdraw, 15 arp, and 7 ad from runes, your AA dps is 90.7 Your Q does 286 damage with three shells, and your R does 311 to the first target. Your argument is that LW makes AD runes do more damage right? Well, lets go full build against a 200 armor target. With Quickdraw, 15 AD, and full build, your AA dps is 616.1 Your Q does 404 damage, and your R does 462 damage. With Quickdraw, 15 ArP, 6 ad, and full build, your AA dps is 627.0 Your Q does 415 damage, and your R does 475 damage. 15 arp does more damage than 15 ad at all relevant stages of the game on the HIGHEST AD SCALING AD CARRY IN THE GAME... [/quote] Yeah I did a math like this a while ago. ArPen = better damage, throughout the whole game, even with [[last whisper]]. AD = Better last hitting. On AD carries I switch between ArPen marks and flat AD quints to ArPen marks and ArPen quints constantly, because I'm just not used to last-hitting without any form of extra AD in my runes, lol. But it would generally be better for damage to have ArPen rather than AD. AD is only good for your laning phase, and even then, isn't necessary if you're just really good at last-hitting.[/quote]

[quote=Silfatos]guys what can you say about attack damage per level runes do you use this kind of runes?[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Silfatos] guys what can you say about attack damage per level runes do you use this kind of runes? [/quote] was good on old kat, considering getting a couple on akali, but idk.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Silfatos] guys what can you say about attack damage per level runes do you use this kind of runes? [/quote] Absolutely terrible.[/quote]