Elise Theorycrafting

[quote=Viola Orpheus][quote=Minho] Spider form requires 0 mana. You jungle in spider form. Therefore, you don't [i]need[/i] blue to jungle. [/quote] You need blue for the cooldown reduction specifically. I couldn't last in the jungle for too long because the minions started getting extra health after I got invaded and gave up First Blood. And I really needed to have her [[Skittering Frenzy]] up in order to last longer in the jungle.[/quote]

[quote=Jones MD]Additionally, I'd like to start the camps with [[Volatile Spiderling]] to speed up my jungle. So IMO blue is really important to her. But who does really like to be invaded?![/quote]

[quote=Unaki]Blue is important until you build your first couple of items. Elise can easily forfeit blue and be a great jungler. Through so much PBE testing and ranked play with Elise, I have learned that she is definitely not a Philo+HoG jungler but instead works better on double doran's rings and attack speed runes with 0/21/9 masteries. Following the rings up with MR boots and Rylai's gives her added tankiness for ganks and pushing. After Rylai's I build Abyssal then Rabadons. Elise can snowball very easily with a couple of good ganks but she definitely relies on the laner to get aggressive right before you get in position. When ganking I find that human form is the greatest initiator. If you EWQRQW you open up with a massive chunk of their health missing then you become a straight bruiser.[/quote]

[quote=Minho]^ You should build Abyssal first as it pretty much is "core", persay.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]her AP Ratios suck. As stonewall said "She does better with on-hit stuff and things to bypass MR like [[Abyssal Scepter]] and [[Malady]]." Im paraphrasing of course.[/quote]

[quote=Unaki][quote=OTGBionicArm] her AP Ratios suck. As stonewall said "She does better with on-hit stuff and things to bypass MR like [[Abyssal Scepter]] and [[Malady]]." Im paraphrasing of course. [/quote] Even if her AP ratios suck, with a full build using Rylais, Dorans, Abyssal and Rabadons, your spider Q decimates their health again after a full EWQRW combo from human form. Full build on 0/21/9 and an AS rune page gives a total of 9% extra damage based off their missing health from the Q. From all of my games and builds she comes extremely close to requiring Rylais to live so I definitely consider that a heavy core item.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]You guys were trying to build her ap? o_o Her passive gives you a spiderling when you hit with spells. Her Q is two percentage life damage moves with absolutely horrible scaling, and really good base damage. Her W has a flat 10 second CD, and has an 80% ap ratio, and she gets ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTY PERCENT ATTACK SPEED, or .875 additional attack speed. Her E is a 0 damage stun, and a gap closer with a reveal and a 2 second invulnerability that has no damage. Her R just transforms her from form to form with a 4 second CD, she gets free mr/armor for being in spider form. So, she has almost no scaling, and its all on a super long CD AoE non-instant cast, non-clickable move. Then she gets 140% attack speed from her W and has two percentage damage moves. Her E does no damage, and is pure utility. I think she would make a really strong top laner, maxing R>W>Q>E getting a point in E when your jungler ganks, and just poking to get spiderlings, and then going in with spider form to do a bunch of burst damage. She should ultimately build pretty much like a bruiser. [runes=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/rune-page-planner#&rune=259:3-351:9-262:9-283:9] [masteries=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-1-0-2-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-0-3-2-4-2-2-1-0-0-0-3-3-0-0-1&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2] [abilities=wqwewrwqwqrqqeeree champion=elise] [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=1-27-27-27-53-91-69-92-51-43-41-101-102-136] Overall, a bruiser with a bit of damage but still with beef.[/quote]

[quote=oxide110]Avarice blade [embed=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iabC7-9YUG4][/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=oxide110] Avarice blade [embed=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iabC7-9YUG4] [/quote] Well, it's either Ghostblade or Shurelyas, i just think that the bruta+avarice fits her early game better than the philo+kindlegem does.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]If you build her like a bruiser just use a build similar to Nidalee. Get a trinity force and build full tank from there on, no need for items like FM/Youmuu's. She already has enough sticking power with her good movement speed, RNG phage procs, E in human form and insanely stupid range gap closer.[/quote]