Elise Theorycrafting

[quote=Viola Orpheus]I say rush the [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] first or second. It really helps with her ganking power and makes her more beefy (Not tanky). Other than that, it's pretty good.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I prefer the wits end first to speed up her jungle. Not to mention that in reality a large portion of her damage is auto attacking. Thanks though :p[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][quote=OTGBionicArm] What does everyone think about this build. I've been loving this champion greatly, and I have played her jungle only, as thats where I think shes best. I tried to go for "utility AP bruiser/tank" what do you guys think I could change? [/quote] I don't think she'll need the early mana regen since she will have blue buff. She doesn't have much of a mana problem either due to her spider form costing no mana. Maybe replace them with [[greater seal of resilience]]s? She is still pretty squishy. I think you should rush [[rylai's crystal scepter]] sooner to improve her ganking potential. Maybe right after tier 2 boots? A chunk of her kit is single target so the proc is really useful. I have yet to try [[elise]] out so this is just my reasoning. I plan on buying her today though maybe if the store has some RP cards. 4 of the stores I went to this week didn't have any or were out of stock >.>[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Just realized the error, those are meant to be armor runes not regen. And yea the one thing I've been getting is to get Rylais earlier :p[/quote]

[quote=Viola Orpheus][quote=OTGBionicArm] I prefer the wits end first to speed up her jungle. Not to mention that in reality a large portion of her damage is auto attacking. Thanks though :p [/quote] I probably would go [[Recurve Bow]] --> [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] --> [[Wit's End]] in that case. [[Recurve Bow]] would help with the AS problems, and you would have MR already from [[Mercury's Treads]]. EDIT: lol, didn't see your reply beforehand.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Rylais feels so expensive though.. thats another reason I like wits first. D:[/quote]

[quote=Viola Orpheus][quote=OTGBionicArm] Rylais feels so expensive though.. thats another reason I like wits first. D: [/quote] I think if you manage to get early kills from ganks, then it's not that hard to get. Which is what happened in my first jungle game with her. If you do get behind though, then I can see getting a [[Wit's End]] + [[Giant's Belt]] + [[Blasting Wand]] or something similar instead of the [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] + [[Recurve Bow]]. Edit: I just realized I typed in [[Blasting Ward]] instead of [[Blasting Wand]]. lmao. Got too used to shouting at people to get at least one friggin' ward to avoid getting ganked.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Rylais will never be a core item on any champ As for Elise Tanky AP seems to be the only way[/quote]

[quote=Viola Orpheus]^Isn't it kinda core for [[Mordekaiser]] (Aside from [[Will of the Ancients]]/[[Hextech Gunblade]])? Just a random thought. [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] or [[Deathfire Grasp]]? Don't eat me D:[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Naw. Rylai's is really situational and i'd prob only get it as last item i were to tbh Also, wota isn't even core on morde anymore. it's only a supplement item to get as a last or sthn of the sort. Guinsoo's doesn't really fit onto an ap champion but if you're considering hybrid idk guinsoo's is generally a very VERY niche item that's pretty bad. The only champ i'd consider getting it on is like hybrid nid or sthn DFG is bought on burst casters. not so sure if elise fits into that category but i'd say naw because I feel she needs tankiness. I'm really unsure though[/quote]