Reddit's View on MOBAFire

[quote=DarkPercy]I've always been trying to make Mobafire's Rep better but it never works. I could tell them this guide is extremely beautiful, easy and fun to read, very informative and very good because it's written by a pro/at least a Platinum but they would still hate the guide because it's on Mobafire. Omg. @Embracing maybe we could have different category votes? I'm not sure how to put this into words but basically you'd have 4 categories of voting 1: Upvotes/Downvotes from Guest 2: Upvotes/Downvotes from Gold rated players on Moba 3: Upvotes/Downvotes from Platinum rated players on Moba 4: Upvotes/Downvotes from Diamond rated players The votes would all count for the same. Like, a vote from a Diamond would count just as much as a random Bronze player, but at least if you see that the top guide has 15 downvotes from Plat/Diamond players you could know the guide is at the top only because it looks nice. I'm just throwing out random ideas.....[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]You guys have to realize that people on the internet will always find things to critique and complain about. If you post a single guide to be a shining example of the site people will pick it apart. This is true of any guide site. Having a good guide at the top depends on a lot of things. People complain about our bad Annie guide, but how many people actually main Annie? Someone can make a guide with great information, but is it so hard to read it's impossible to find that information? Do enough people actually see the guide and read it so that it gets enough votes for a good score? Do people actually read the guide or just glance at it and up/downvote it? Is the guide author skilled with that champion? Has Riot provided us with an API so that we can utilize summoner info? As Jebus pointed out appointing a panel is not the solution and is against the spirit of the site. We have always favored spreading out views so that more guides get seen, and having updated guides be more prominent than outdated ones. We have constantly been working towards these goals. Even so, we cannot solve every problem for every case and bad guides might still end up at the top. In that case we are still not willing to sacrifice the opinion of all the people who voted that guide up for the opinion of a few. We are still happy to discuss options that improve guide quality while keeping with the spirit of the site. If you feel you have an idea that fulfills these conditions we'd love for you to make a thread about it in the Support section of the forums. We have seen the desire in our users for guide sorting based on ELO, which is why we made the "High ELO" section; which I feel fulfills the suggestion of "ranked/competitive" guides. We like giving our users options like these to find the kinds of guides they want, but we still don't want it to completely override the popular opinion guides. Some of your suggestions, such as requiring a rep or comment threshold to be able to vote on guides, go against those philosophies. We don't like the idea of reducing the amount of votes or discouraging people from joining the site. However, ideas such as vote decay follow our philosophy of keeping updated guides and getting rid of old ones. If we like the idea there still might be a problem of resources or it being difficult to implement. There's no reason to be hostile towards other guide sites. They are filled with passionate and hard-working members much like yourselves that pour hours of their free time into helping people learn about LoL. They provide different things than our site and vice versa. Variety is the spice of life! I have read the majority of the comments in that reddit thread, which is a new record for me so far as actually reading a reddit page. I even thought about posting something, but the username "Mowen" is taken and that made me pretty sad. I've seen discussions like these so many times, as if it was some kind've new idea that MOBAFire could improve its site. We have never claimed to have the perfect or best system, and have made so many changes since the inception of the site. We always listen to the public's opinion and try to make as many people happy as we can. These heated discussions blow over and another one will pop up a few months later. It is better to work with us consistently and patiently rather than trying to force us to change based on one event.[/quote]

[quote=koksei][quote=DarkPercy] I've always been trying to make Mobafire's Rep better but it never works. I could tell them this guide is extremely beautiful, easy and fun to read, very informative and very good because it's written by a pro/at least a Platinum but they would still hate the guide because it's on Mobafire. Omg. @Embracing maybe we could have different category votes? I'm not sure how to put this into words but basically you'd have 4 categories of voting 1: Upvotes/Downvotes from Guest 2: Upvotes/Downvotes from Gold rated players on Moba 3: Upvotes/Downvotes from Platinum rated players on Moba 4: Upvotes/Downvotes from Diamond rated players The votes would all count for the same. Like, a vote from a Diamond would count just as much as a random Bronze player, but at least if you see that the top guide has 15 downvotes from Plat/Diamond players you could know the guide is at the top only because it looks nice. I'm just throwing out random ideas..... [/quote] that actually sounds good - give guides more panels which show "votes from goldplayers" "platplayers" etc.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Mowen: And my question, while loving much of the community here, is why is it bad to overrun the opinion of the many with the opinion of the few when it is proven time and time again that in this case the few have more knowledge than the many put together. I am a low elo scrub, and even though I've learned shitloads from guides in this place I say time and time again that it is NEVER bad to have all correct information there from the first moment. Instead of saying that alot of guides have some good in them, and you have to bring that with you. For Mobafire to get a better rep in the "outside world" we need to recognize skill, achievement and knowledge and show to others that we do. LoL is a competitive game, even if you (you as in all readers, not just Moven. Only first paragraph was to Mowen.) don't like to take the game seriously and only troll ad sona in arams the game is still based and balanced on the competitive scene. THUS the largest voice will always be from people who search for information or knowledge to become more competitive, to beat your opponent. It is nice for mobafire to give everyone their opinion and letting them be heard. It is not effective, and it sure as he££ ain't what will give us a good rep from a competitive community.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]This feels like politics LOL From what I see future implementations simply need to retain community equality. I like DarkPercy's idea and don't see any problems with that. Percentage votes will still be the same but opinions of higher level players will be expressed clearly and more bluntly to the lower-leveled players. However one generic problem the community has with equality is that there is a majority of people who do not understand the skill gap between higher and lower levels, leaving lower leveled players to spread their falsified information they believe is correct. Maybe one potential solution to this is to illustrate rankings more clearly according to skill.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice][quote=Crows foot] Mowen: And my question, while loving much of the community here, is why is it bad to overrun the opinion of the many with the opinion of the few when it is proven time and time again that in this case the few have more knowledge than the many put together. [/quote] well said. basically, a commitment to democracy is a commitment to mediocrity. if that's the direction you want to go, then so be it.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]EVILDICE HELLO LONG TIME NO SEE and crows foot words of wisdom whao[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]It's against what the site stands for. Mobafire is built on the idea that anyone can write a guide and/or vote. Both solomid and lolpro take a different approach and while anyone can write a guide, only the featured guides really get read (and the occasional approved). Would mobafire have a better guide section if they were to appoint a pannel? probably. It would weed out a lot of poor guides. But Mobafire is more than just a guide site. I mean you look at everything it has to offer it's a hell of a lot more than lolpro and solomid combined. The fact that anyone can write a guide is probably why we have such a large and good community. You can look at solomid and lolpro, neither of them have a good community, in all honesty they're pretty much non-existent. I think if were to set up a panel or whatever it may be, we would lose a lot of the community or we wouldn't pull in as much as we used to. I wouldn't really trade a community for approval from another one. And be honest, how many of you actually use guides. Most competent players think for themselves or examine the game and build according to their needs. When's the last time you guys have followed a guide to the t and dotted i's? It's probably been months. Mobafire is painted as this noob community, but so is solomid and lolpro. I'm not saying your a scrub or your bad if you read guides, but good players really don't use them or follow build paths or skill paths. Guides are designed for lower levels of play and for people who don't understand the champion.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=Mooninites] It's against what the site stands for. Mobafire is built on the idea that anyone can write a guide and/or vote. Both solomid and lolpro take a different approach and while anyone can write a guide, only the featured guides really get read (and the occasional approved). Would mobafire have a better guide section if they were to appoint a pannel? probably. It would weed out a lot of poor guides. But Mobafire is more than just a guide site. I mean you look at everything it has to offer it's a hell of a lot more than lolpro and solomid combined. The fact that anyone can write a guide is probably why we have such a large and good community. You can look at solomid and lolpro, neither of them have a good community, in all honesty they're pretty much non-existent. I think if were to set up a panel or whatever it may be, we would lose a lot of the community or we wouldn't pull in as much as we used to. I wouldn't really trade a community for approval from another one. And be honest, how many of you actually use guides. Most competent players think for themselves or examine the game and build according to their needs. When's the last time you guys have followed a guide to the t and dotted i's? It's probably been months. Mobafire is painted as this noob community, but so is solomid and lolpro. I'm not saying your a scrub or your bad if you read guides, but good players really don't use them or follow build paths or skill paths. Guides are designed for lower levels of play and for people who don't understand the champion. [/quote] i think you are missing the grey area I think MOBAFire can explore. I never advocate in favor of full equality, and difference of opinion/knowledge is the first show of why i don't like it. People can make guides and vote, but some votes should have more credit than others. Also, Mowen should know that if there are people that just want to downvote guides, those should be notified, accounted and punished for abusive behaviour. I'm basically saying MOBAFire should protect itself from the rights it provides to it's users. And yes, this is politics.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=Mooninites] It's against what the site stands for. Mobafire is built on the idea that anyone can write a guide and/or vote. Both solomid and lolpro take a different approach and while anyone can write a guide, only the featured guides really get read (and the occasional approved). Would mobafire have a better guide section if they were to appoint a pannel? probably. It would weed out a lot of poor guides. But Mobafire is more than just a guide site. I mean you look at everything it has to offer it's a hell of a lot more than lolpro and solomid combined. The fact that anyone can write a guide is probably why we have such a large and good community. You can look at solomid and lolpro, neither of them have a good community, in all honesty they're pretty much non-existent. I think if were to set up a panel or whatever it may be, we would lose a lot of the community or we wouldn't pull in as much as we used to. I wouldn't really trade a community for approval from another one. And be honest, how many of you actually use guides. Most competent players think for themselves or examine the game and build according to their needs. When's the last time you guys have followed a guide to the t and dotted i's? It's probably been months. Mobafire is painted as this noob community, but so is solomid and lolpro. I'm not saying your a scrub or your bad if you read guides, but good players really don't use them or follow build paths or skill paths. Guides are designed for lower levels of play and for people who don't understand the champion. [/quote] I say we can get quite a bit more elitistic without becoming douches... try to open your mind moonboy![/quote]