Cassiopeia Theorycrafting

[quote=Minho]Good evening summoners! I am here today to theorize about Cassiopeia (OFC). Since I was generously gifted Mythic Cassiopeia by a humble friend, I want to optimize my games with Cassiopeia by itemizing, rune-izing, and mastery-izing. Here is my original build~ish order: Start: Boots + 3 / Flask + Wards + Pots Early: hex revolver > sorcs > haunt guise Mid: liandrys > rylais Late: Raba Last 2: Zhonyas / GA / Probably finish WotA / Void Staff Masteries: Standard 21/0/9 Runes: MPen Reds, MP5/LVL Yellows, Flat MR Blues, Flat AP Quints[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]In my humble opinion, if you're making guise you get it first, if you're not than you might skip immediately to rilay. Also, what about flask+faerie+pots start, for a challice/tear on first b?[/quote]

[quote=Cliff Walrus]I'm sure you'll find out once you get around 8/0 kills, cass really sucks at not being killed. Towers wont save you if they want you dead. No real escapes and pretty squishy. Spell vamp is an idea I'd been playing with on her but I've been learning to jungle and haven't been mid in a while; (not like I have years of experience) so idk about that. With a champ like cass I build glass cannon...Yes I'm going to die when they focus me, but damnit I'm taking somebody with me. I've seen a platnium elo build support cass ([[Aegis of the legion]] [[zeke's herald]]/[[rod of ages]]/[[archangel's staff]] and even tried them out. fact is she is best early/mid game. building a tear or catalyst makes you weak when you should be dominating the lane or at least ganking getting the team fed. All her spells are AOE including E, so you don't get 30% slow from rylai you get 15% and W already slows anyway, while Q speeds you up. How many times has GA let you resurrect to escape/win a teamfight vs. how many times have you simply died twice? Assassins and AD are going to poop on you, so bad. any Master Yi/Akalai/Ezreal/Wukong/Kat and you're gonna have a bad time. In a battle of burst mages cass is a SUPER strong pick, throw a W on the creeps, Q/E harras the champ and recast W as they run for more damage. eventually they will get fed up with the poisons and come closer. This is a terrible mistake because of the stun on the ult AND E has a lower CD the closer they are. The lower CD is due to the travel time of the spell, it goes on CD after landing not after cast; so closer = less travel time = more fangs.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Cass's ult is a great AoE disengage and sets up for kills, if the enemy simply jumps her they'll probably screw themselves over unless they're [[fizz]][/quote]

[quote=Minho]I just had a game where I had 80 CS by 11 minutes, do you think it should be 100 by 10? Also, I seemed to have trouble landing Noxious Blast quite a few times.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I'm terrible at the CS timer and it also depends on how much you roamed and how effective the roam was. [[noxious blast]] is like [[lay waste]], just practice it, if you get it in a well-thought direction even if it doesn't hit you may deny cs.[/quote]

[quote=KSS Awake][quote]I just had a game where I had 80 CS by 11 minutes, do you think it should be 100 by 10? Also, I seemed to have trouble landing Noxious Blast quite a few times.[/quote] I think 80 cs by 10 minutes shall be your target when going top/bot lane, mid lane usually has more farm cause of jungle camps (though I am not sure about how well cass clears jungle camps).[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Don't get revolver, make Void core earlier and your builds decent.[/quote]

[quote=Minho]Why no revolver? Twin Fang spamming I assume gets you a lot of health regen since it's a single target spell >.< EDIT: Also, why earlier Void? I'd only get early void if I bought mercs, but why earlier void? Since we have guise and sorcs, shouldn't that be enough to suffice? @.@[/quote]

[quote=astrolia]Some people don't think [[Will of the Ancients]] is worth it anymore. Just different opinions about itemization in s3. If you are picking between Rab or Void as like a 4th/5th item or something, Void might do more damage than Rab. It depends on how much mres is on the enemy team. Also, you are using Liandry's as a core item. Void improves Liandry's damage, but Rab doesn't.[/quote]