MOBAFire Tournaments

[quote=lifebaka]His point, Pheyniex, is probably that Diamond players would be put in a split with Challenger players, and Throat doesn't feel like that's fair. And... He's probably right. It's not fair. Challenger players do have a distinct advantage compared to Diamond players, generally (who would be Challenger if they were as good as Challenger players). And, as pointed out, Diamond players will tend to be better than Plat players, who will tend to be better than Gold players, etc. etc. So what we really need to decide is what the purpose of the MOBAFire tournament is. Are we trying to have tournaments for players who aren't good? Or are we trying to have a legitimate tournament? Are we trying to have a tournament for MOBAFire members, or one for the League community at large? Because it's really not clear, to me, what these tournaments are exactly supposed to be. And not knowing the answers to these questions, largely, is the problem. If we want to have a tournament for players who aren't good, which a lot here seem to be assuming, then a divided tournament makes a lot of sense. Clearly, if we're trying to have tournaments explicitly for lower skill level teams, higher skill teams shouldn't be allowed in those tournaments. If we want to have a more legitimate tournament, a divided tournament currently doesn't make any sense, for reasons that Moon gave. I don't believe we have enough high skill teams to make a more legitimate tournament, comparable to LCS, workable if we restrict it to players of only a certain skill level or higher. On the other hand, if we're trying to have a tournament for MOBAFire members, a divided tournament doesn't make sense, just because putting up barriers to entry in addition to MOBAFire activity will just restrict the available team base too much. And if we want to have an open tournament, which is what we've been doing so far, we open ourselves up to the issues that we've been having, where one or two teams who are clearly better than the rest are joining simply to get the prizes. Dividing the tournament could solve this, in a hamfisted sort of way, but dividing the tournament causes its own problems. If we want to discourage challenger-tier players from joining the MOBAFire tournaments just for the prizes, the simplest solution would seem to be to lower the prizes offered, such as removing the gear from the prize pool entirely; the money looks fine otherwise and the MOBAFire stickers are clearly fine. This will dissuade high level players from joining the tournament [i]for the prize alone[/i], as the prizes offered will (hopefully) no longer be worth their time, but will not prevent high level teams who still want to participate in the tournament.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=lifebaka] His point, Pheyniex, is probably that Diamond players would be put in a split with Challenger players, and Throat doesn't feel like that's fair. And... He's probably right. It's not fair. Challenger players do have a distinct advantage compared to Diamond players, generally (who would be Challenger if they were as good as Challenger players). And, as pointed out, Diamond players will tend to be better than Plat players, who will tend to be better than Gold players, etc. etc. [/quote] Advantage? You talk about it if they get some kind of boost at the start of the game. They don't have an advantage, they are, probably, just overall better at the game. I can win all the tournaments in the world if I got rid of people who were better than me.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]So, if I understand this correctly, the best solution would be: Tournament 1: Challenger Tournament 2: Diamond + Platinum Tournament 3: Gold + Silver Tournament 4: Bronze? :P[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]The thing is having enough people from the top tiers ^ Read the whole topic, and i feel it would be fair to make split tournaments for the people who play just for fun and for the ones who play competitively which would make it more fair and stop the fake hopes. Splitting it into something like Bronze-Silver tournaments and Gold and up or something like that, the complains wont ever stop since there arent enough challenger/diamond players to make a tournament for them and if they were it would be a small one. But it still encourages the closest players as in "gold/plat" to improve and do their best to show they can beat the top tier teams since it is dumb to punish players for being good... I still consider unfair the make an acc to join tourney thing while never using it again just for the prizes...[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Meiyjhe] So, if I understand this correctly, the best solution would be: Tournament 1: Challenger Tournament 2: Diamond + Platinum Tournament 3: Gold + Silver Tournament 4: Bronze? :P [/quote] Not enough players for challenger. Platinum will complain. Silver will complain These guys will be satisfied.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]Then I have a more simple solution: Tournament 1: Challenger + gold Tournament 2: Diamond + Silver Tournament 3: Platinum + Bronze This way, nobody is happy, so its fair :P Huehuehue[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Throat's point is actually that these Challenger teams don't make any effort into the community and are only joining for the sole purpose of cashing in on the prize. These people should be disallowed is what he is saying. For a MOBAFire community cup, it should be people who are already part of the community or are willing to make an effort to join the community.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]So, you want to keep the challengers out of the contest? Like, ban them or something? :D[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]Trying to understand your point GMD, its true that you will never satisfy EVERYONE but you can satisfy the bigger part and excluding people because they are "good" especcially people from mobafire is stupid. Also got to remember that the skill cap is higuer when people are in premade teams and have the communication factor. Just do it like this: Gold-Challenger Bronze-Silver Also teams from the lower tourney that get the 1st place are allowed to compete in the next lvl which would encourage them to improve[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya][quote=sirell] Throat's point is actually that these Challenger teams don't make any effort into the community and are only joining for the sole purpose of cashing in on the prize. These people should be disallowed is what he is saying. For a MOBAFire community cup, it should be people who are already part of the community or are willing to make an effort to join the community. [/quote] Minium amount of posts/guides should help with this, if they want to be part of the community they have to provide something, not excluding them for being challenger but not showing interest for the community.[/quote]