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Gragas Build Guide by Brotos

AP Carry Sit on Faces and Flee - The Brutal, Fat Ninja (Gragas Guide)

AP Carry Sit on Faces and Flee - The Brutal, Fat Ninja (Gragas Guide)

Updated on May 25, 2013
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Brotos | June 17, 2013 4:22pm
Kinen wrote:



Strong use of images, columns and dividers all function to break up text and paragraphs to make them easier to read. You can have tonnes of content while still avoiding excessive walls of text, there are many examples of exceptional formatting throughout MOBAFire. That said, a pretty guide is worthless without the content to back it up. Formatting facilitates a guides ability to fulfill its purpose, to guide. It doesn't do the job alone.


Thank you for your advice and I will be sure to go through and better my formatting for an easier read.
Once again, thank you.
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Kinen (27) | May 25, 2013 2:01pm
Brotos wrote:

As for walls of text, I apologize. To my understanding, I thought that the top portion displaying ability orders, item choice, and masteries was the cheat sheet. The rest should be a more in-depth guide on why these are chosen. If you make the latter short, there's really no point in it is there?


Strong use of images, columns and dividers all function to break up text and paragraphs to make them easier to read. You can have tonnes of content while still avoiding excessive walls of text, there are many examples of exceptional formatting throughout MOBAFire. That said, a pretty guide is worthless without the content to back it up. Formatting facilitates a guides ability to fulfill its purpose, to guide. It doesn't do the job alone.
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sk1llzn00bz (17) | May 25, 2013 1:43pm
Brotos wrote:



It's a first guide and I'm looking to better it.
Any tips and pointers would be nice.


you should always look to improve the use of coding.
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Brotos | May 25, 2013 1:14pm

Mate hush. Please note that Havoc is complete ****. Do the math.

BBcoding could've done better, grammar and spelling mistakes (learn how to proof read). Walls of text makes the reader bored as hell.
The cheat sheet could use some work.

Honestly, I'm thinking of changing it out.
I've sort of figured it out on my own. Havoc is alright for most ap champions, especially since there's no point putting the points anywhere else to get to the next tier.
However, with Gragas who does use some ad, you can put it in Deadliness or Weapon Expertise . Infact, maybe even Destruction since he does so little damage to turrets.
I'll have to think this through though.

I apologize for my grammar and spelling.
My first language is not English. Therefore, there's no comparison for me to those who speak it natively.
Even when proofreading, I will miss many things.

As for walls of text, I apologize. To my understanding, I thought that the top portion displaying ability orders, item choice, and masteries was the cheat sheet. The rest should be a more in-depth guide on why these are chosen. If you make the latter short, there's really no point in it is there?
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Brotos | May 25, 2013 1:10pm

+1 Because of the name. I LOLed.

The guide, however, is slightly below average.


It's a first guide and I'm looking to better it.
Any tips and pointers would be nice.
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Brotos | May 25, 2013 1:10pm

Havoc increases damage dealt, not ap. Furthermore, I think that first kill which might just let you win your lane is way more important than a very little bit of extra damage late-game. I also think that a WotA shouldn't be core. It's not really a cost-effective item, especially if you're the only AP based damage-dealer on your team. For the same money you could also get a Void Staff which I think is a lot better than a little bit of spell vamp. You already have your passive for a bit of healing and I suppose burst or damage is first priority late-game. If you really like that spell vamp, what about a Hextech Revolver a bit early which you eventually upgrade into a gunblade when you have your burst settled? Is that a joke or not?I don't get this too.I suppose you mean life steal there.

Also, no one has to do anything at all in the comments section, as long as they don't call someone a jerk it's fine. Why do all those guide makers who didn't ever show their face before have such a big ego, being unreasonable to everyone who gives feedback? I mean, we could also all hit the red button instantly without saying anything at all. Especially if the author didn't enable C2V which I believe is clearly stated in all of the guides to making guides, and I suppose everyone who publishes a guide has at least read one of them.


Thank you for your feedback.
I believe you do have some valid points and I will do my best to change my guide.

Honestly, regarding the whole "jerk" thing. The other fellow came off really strong and basically attacked me. If you can't be civil, it's just better to not post. He just kept coming back over and over....and he's edited his posts so they don't seem as offensive now.
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sk1llzn00bz (17) | May 25, 2013 12:08pm
+1 Because of the name. I LOLed.

The guide, however, is slightly below average.
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Latest Legend (149) | May 25, 2013 8:57am
Havoc increases damage dealt, not ap. Furthermore, I think that first kill which might just let you win your lane is way more important than a very little bit of extra damage late-game. I also think that a WotA shouldn't be core. It's not really a cost-effective item, especially if you're the only AP based damage-dealer on your team. For the same money you could also get a Void Staff which I think is a lot better than a little bit of spell vamp. You already have your passive for a bit of healing and I suppose burst or damage is first priority late-game. If you really like that spell vamp, what about a Hextech Revolver a bit early which you eventually upgrade into a gunblade when you have your burst settled?
Quoted:
Fat man appears out of the bush to reek havoc
Is that a joke or not?
Quoted:
Besides, 1 death is better than your whole death getting murdered, don't you think?
I don't get this too.
Quoted:
Additionally it offers ad and spellvamp, which will make your auto attacks and Body Slam count for more.
I suppose you mean life steal there.

Also, no one has to do anything at all in the comments section, as long as they don't call someone a jerk it's fine. Why do all those guide makers who didn't ever show their face before have such a big ego, being unreasonable to everyone who gives feedback? I mean, we could also all hit the red button instantly without saying anything at all. Especially if the author didn't enable C2V which I believe is clearly stated in all of the guides to making guides, and I suppose everyone who publishes a guide has at least read one of them.
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TOTESMCSCOTES (11) | May 25, 2013 4:36am
Mate hush. Please note that Havoc is complete ****. Do the math.

BBcoding could've done better, grammar and spelling mistakes (learn how to proof read). Walls of text makes the reader bored as hell.
The cheat sheet could use some work.
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Brotos | May 25, 2013 3:35am
Deadlydave wrote:

If I may say, how so? What exactly did I say that made me come off as a jerk and why did I seem like that? I'll see if I can adjust my behavior according to your opinion of me.


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Deadlydave wrote:

Skill distribution is literally impossible. I refuse to read any more.


ex 2:
Deadlydave wrote:

Why would I want to read through and proofread your guide when you didn't proofread in the least yourself?


ex 3:
Deadlydave wrote:

I could go on..... But you get the point.


I could go on..... But you get the point.
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Deadlydave (46) | May 25, 2013 3:31am
If I may say, how so? What exactly did I say that made me come off as a jerk and why did I seem like that? I'll see if I can adjust my behavior according to your opinion of me.
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Brotos | May 25, 2013 3:25am
Deadlydave wrote:

Body Slam does damage. Drunken Rage doesn't do damage. In your build you have a Deathfire Grasp and a Rabadon's Deathcap. So I assume this is a bursty build not focused 100% on staying alive and more killing your enemies quickly. Body Slam will help you do more. You were looking for constructive criticism, you don't have to follow it and you don't have to insult me constantly.


This is the first time, you've actually given me any sort of constructive criticism.
Thank you very much for this.
If you look in my ability ordering chapter, you'll notice that I explain exactly this situation. You max whichever ability due to the situation and what you're looking for.

Lastly, if you can't take it, don't dish out the hate.
If you don't believe you're being hateful, then you may want to really think about what you type/how you view things. You're really coming off strong as a jerk and you're not helping yourself when you comment each time.
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