How much does Renekton fall off late game?

[quote=samgoeslol]what most pros do nowerdays is rush tiamat, then go tnak. megsplitpush and good bruising. Renek is a very consistent splitpusher with good teamfight presence due to his ult mobility and cc[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=utopus] The idea is that he's not much of a threat, even with his ult. Lets face it psi. If you get a snare off on trynd, he's kinda screwed. [/quote] you haven't met a good tryn .___. he's one of the most nasty cleanup champs, he splitpushes like no tomorrow because of his ridiculous sustain, and his ult makes him a pseudo-tank for 5 seconds in situations where he can also escape from if played right. i swear this champ is probably the most underrated champ in the game. And back to OP: Renek's concept of "falling off" comes from the fact that his damage falls off. Just imagine him as a shen with a strong early game and pushing power in return for no global ultimate.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=samgoeslol] what most pros do nowerdays is rush tiamat, then go tnak. megsplitpush and good bruising. Renek is a very consistent splitpusher with good teamfight presence due to his ult mobility and cc [/quote] hmmm maybe. I feel like [[Renekton]] already has good enough wave clear with his Q and E and on top of a [[Sunfire Cape]]. I'll try it, but it seems unnecessary and that there might be better options[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Renekton doesnt need tiamat... he only really needs like two items, The Black CLeaver and sunfire cape. XD Also, I dont see how renekton falls off. He's a big meatshield that turns already squishy things into mush.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][[tiamat]]/[[Ravenous Hydra]] best waveclear item in the game. [[tempest]]+active = no wave. also fun on renek and riven. shame noone seems to care how good tiamat can be. either way, renekton only really falls of if you let yourself fall off. he's a beast, has CC, armorshred and a gapcloser. even if you don't build much damage, he still hurts plenty.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I mean, if you're comparing renekton's damage to that of a 6-item ADC, the ADC will dish out more damage for sure. Renekton's good because he doesn't have to build many damage items to deal significant damage - at any stage of the game.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]u can build any ad and or tank item on renekton and he does decently if you play him right.[/quote]

[quote=Tonyk1]Renek does not 'fall off' late game, it is just that his role changes from damage dealer to an initiating tank. Also he does not need tiamat in any sense[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]its not about needing tiamat its about facilitating 1v1 dmg and waveclear. there is a reason most pros do it and that reason is cost efficiency. Tiamat has a huge impact on your laning for a fairly low amount of gold. plus it gives you great damage 1v1 greez sam[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I feel like [[Spirit of the Elder Lizard]] does a better job than [[Tiamat]] in regards to 1v1 and waveclear. Sure, you can't upgrade Elder Lizard into Hydra, but if the reason you're building Tiamat/Hydra is for the early damage and waveclear why not just spend 100 gold more for an item that would probably give a larger damage spike. You get 5 less AD and 1 less Health Regend, but you also get 10% CDR and arguably a better passive. Again, I haven't tried it, but just looking at the reasoning you gave it seems Elder Lizard would be better[/quote]