Where do you think "high elo" stands?

[quote=Foolamancer][quote=XeresAce] [quote]And if half your team is already convinced that the game is lost as soon as the picks are made, you're gonna have a bad time.[/quote] sadly that's very true 8l [/quote] Yep. And that's the other big issue: at Silver and Bronze, people have the morale of wet pastry. As soon as anything bad happens, people panic, or start raging. Nobody knows how to play if they get set back. Snowballing from minute one is the only way people know how to win. If they believe that the enemy team has an "OP" champion, then they'll start giving up even if things [i]don't[/i] go wrong - even just an "okay" start can make them start claiming it's GG at the ten minute mark. Even better Silver players, the ones who can carry themselves to the higher tiers, have problems with this. My brother is an example; he carried himself from Bronze V to Silver I, and almost got to Gold over the past few days. But he's an entirely snowball-dependent player. If he doesn't utterly stomp his lane, he's got no idea how to play. He doesn't know how to deal with being gold-starved, or with a fed opponent. He doesn't know how to ward defensively or anything of the sort. So if the enemy gets, say, [[Amumu]], and nothing much happens for the first ten minutes, a lot of Bronze or Silver players will start acting like it's game the moment the laning phase ends, simply because the enemy has [[Curse of the Sad Mummy]]. The thought of not standing in one giant blob just doesn't occur to them; the enemy has [[Amumu]], so the loss is inevitable in their eyes. Same with [[Shen]] or anyone else. If the "OP" champ in question doesn't get utterly demolished in the first ten minutes, people panic. So, most of the time, it's just easiest to ban them and avoid the whole mess.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote = tehasian]You're underestimating Amumu. Also the reason he's banned at low elo and not at high elo is because people ALWAYS group up at Bronze/Silver/Gold and you ALWAYS get 4 or 5 man ults and insta-win teamfights. In Plat/Diamond unless the other team fucks up super hard you get 2-3 on average, and 90% of the time you don't even get to snare the ADC unless you Flash for it.[/quote] well.. [quote]People just tend to let him farm up nicely and then he reaches lvl 6 with a SOTAG and screws shit over with his ult :D[/quote] [quote] not to mention it's easy to just not stay clumped up and avoid getting hit by his ult.[/quote] Granted the last point was aimed at malphite it did represent my general opinion of how to counter hard cc aoe ults :3[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=regatto] [quote=DuffTime] a gold 1 and a plat 5 are next door neighbors [/quote] i gotta disagree with you there. gold1 to plat5 took me and literally everyone i know like 5-6 repeated bo5s of utter tryharding and as cancerous of picks as possible. my climb to plat1 was no sweat though but ive no clue about the bo5 to diamond. [/quote] Lol that's because League of Legends has an algorithm in place that makes the jump from a Division 1 to the next bracket difficult. So it is usually very hard for players who "just barely" belong in the next bracket up to get through. I got 0/3'd twice on my way from plat 1 to diamond 5, but there is almost no difference in the players. The same is true in pretty much every division 1 - division 5 of the the next tier. There is very little difference. There is almost ALWAYS far more difference from div 5 -> dic 1 in the same tier. [quote=Foolamancer] Obviously I was being a little hyperbolic there. :P There are players, like yourself, who do actually care about knowing what they're doing, and play champions they know how to use. But in my experience, the vast majority of Bronze and Silver players do just play whatever they feel like, experienced or not. [/quote] Nope nope nope nope. Diamond players first time shit DAILY. If anything, Diamond players care FAR less about winning than your average silver. [quote=Pheyniex] Most people, even in Gold, maybe, can't play [[Shen]] properly, especially his ultimate. But it's a bit of a gamble if you don't ban him. [/quote] Shen has terrible winrates, which suggests he is not banworthy. The win rates are bad in every elo, suggesting that no amount of skill or ability to make plays makes him good.[/quote]

[quote=Arcana3]I honestly can say. I can not play [[shen]] and the highest ranking I had was gold 3 this season. That said, i can play champs like [[xerath]], and a few other high capped mid laners. I feel that people ban certain champions, on what they [b]perceivep[/b]. [[Amumu]] is really stong in low elows because of what asian said. They always group. They don't understand when to group and when not to group, its hard for them to understand the timing. [[shen]] is a super strong split pusher, in low and high elo. There is an entire list why certain champs are banned. Morg was banned almost entire season 2. Season one it was annie... The meta changes to meet what needs to be banned.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]@Xeres: I ban Kass at my league in CN ;o[/quote]

[quote=Bryun]Plat+ We are talking about 'high elo', not game knowledge. I think Plat is high, I'm pretty sure a getting Platinum was a realistic ideal for most people.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote]@Xeres: I ban Kass at my league in CN ;o[/quote] I KNEW THAT HOE WAS BROKEN mobility and 2.5 sec silences op also op trading post 6 in laning phase unless vs ad mid qq[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator]I always ban [[Fizz]]/[[Kassadin]]/[[Ahri]] because I hate it so much if the enemy dashes away with 10 hp or jumps on his stupid staff to avoid my abilities -.-[/quote]

[quote=bitpik]High elo is surely a relative amount but since the change to gold (making it 1500) i dont think Gold V can be viewed as high elo by anyone. From my perspective, Platinum+ is high elo and consists of mostly good players. Amazing players are only found at Diamond 3+ though.[/quote]

[quote=archindar]its bronze tho not platnum we can all agree[/quote]