Help and Advice on making a Fiora Build

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[quote=MyBloodisBlack][quote=sirell] [quote=MyBloodisBlack] OK I read what people had to say and I can see some of the points (Although I don't agree with Sirell view that no one should play Fiora because I personally feel she is has so much more potential and can do well in lanes despite everything going against her)[/quote] Shitty gap closer, no CC, little to no burst (burst is extremely item reliant), easily zoned, outscaled by most champions, can't tank (especially with this kind of build), can't stick to the enemy. No joke, but she is the worst top laner possible. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] Also I saw that Sirell mentioned [[Mercury's Treads]] but I was wondering if something like [[Ninja Tabi]] would also work because of its increase to the Armor and that it blocks 10% of the basic attack damage. [/quote] It's a possibility, but as I said, [[fiora]] is extremely susceptible to CC. I mean, she can't get her ult off if she's just stunned and bursted down before any of that, those [[ninja tabi]] won't really save you. Might be okay for laning, but I would definitely swap them out. [/quote] Well I get that this build isn't tank but i wasn't aiming for her to be such and as you said she is really isn't a tank anyway so why try to build her up as such, Would be like taking Soraka and building her as a Solo AD you know? I sole purpose for me with this build is by using Lifesteal at its highest and a good amount of Armor Penetration I can deal with enemy champions, turn around around to some Minion, take them out and have my health fully regenerated quickly ready to fight again whilst playing safe, not over rushing and generally trolling battles by sliding in for the kills. So basically you are saying [[Ninja Tabi]] is good but preferably you would go with [[Mercury's treads]] yes?[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack][quote=Embracing] PROBUILDS.NET /thread [/quote] An interesting site however I don't know the pro players as I never watch them, it puts me off playing when you watch people being better than you and knowing you will never get to be as good as that[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=MyBloodisBlack] Well I get that this build isn't tank but i wasn't aiming for her to be such and as you said she is really isn't a tank anyway so why try to build her up as such, Would be like taking Soraka and building her as a Solo AD you know? [/quote] AD [[soraka]] is actually quite OP. Those bananas actually hurt when you're silenced and unable to use abilities counterattack. Especially painful if you're [[ezreal]]. :( [quote=MyBloodisBlack] I sole purpose for me with this build is by using Lifesteal at its highest and a good amount of Armor Penetration I can deal with enemy champions, turn around around to some Minion, take them out and have my health fully regenerated quickly ready to fight again whilst playing safe, not over rushing and generally trolling battles by sliding in for the kills.[/quote] Yeah, that's why you really have to build her full damage for her to be of any use. The main problem is that she usually dies before she can get into range to autoattack anything. That she's usually spontaneously combustible without 2 defensive items is kinda one of her major downsides. There are just so many picks that do all the things she does and better that she's never worth picking. She's basically a very very weak version of [[tryndamere]] and [[master yi]]. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] So basically you are saying [[Ninja Tabi]] is good but preferably you would go with [[Mercury's treads]] yes? [/quote] Yeah, if the enemy laner deals a fair amount of AA damage/physical damage in lane, [[ninja tabi]] would be a good early rush, but I would end up swapping them out first chance I got. If the enemy isn't dealing all that much physical damage/AA to me, [[mercury's treads]] for sure.[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack][quote=sirell] [quote=MyBloodisBlack] I sole purpose for me with this build is by using Lifesteal at its highest and a good amount of Armor Penetration I can deal with enemy champions, turn around around to some Minion, take them out and have my health fully regenerated quickly ready to fight again whilst playing safe, not over rushing and generally trolling battles by sliding in for the kills.[/quote] Yeah, that's why you really have to build her full damage for her to be of any use. The main problem is that she usually dies before she can get into range to autoattack anything. That she's usually spontaneously combustible without 2 defensive items is kinda one of her major downsides. There are just so many picks that do all the things she does and better that she's never worth picking. She's basically a very very weak version of [[tryndamere]] and [[master yi]]. [/quote] Sorry Sirell I have to disagree, considering Fiora has a high amount of damage already I believe she benefits more from a little bit of extra damage imput and a good chunk of armor penetration to make sure more of natural power gets through her targets. Also its hard to agree she isn't worth picking because I am maining her because she has potential as a champion and I feel played correctly and with the right build which may or may be my build but I like it, she can be one of the better champions in top lane. I was wondering with [[ravenous hydra]] ability being in can deal damage to surrounding enemies, would that damage count towards Lifesteal too?[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=MyBloodisBlack] Sorry Sirell I have to disagree, considering Fiora has a high amount of damage already I believe she benefits more from a little bit of extra damage imput and a good chunk of armor penetration to make sure more of natural power gets through her targets.[/quote] ArmPen is for damage >.> and 'a little bit of extra damage' is still... damage. I don't get what you're disagreeing with here. If you mean the two defensive items I referred to, they're to stop you from exploding. That extra damage won't do you any good if you get 2-shotted by a [[leblanc]]. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] Also its hard to agree she isn't worth picking because I am maining her because she has potential as a champion and I feel played correctly and with the right build which may or may be my build but I like it, she can be one of the better champions in top lane.[/quote] Just because you're maining her doesn't mean she's suddenly viable... I explained why she's a crap champion (especially in comparison to other top laners), you've offered no valid reason as to otherwise and you're still claiming she's 'one of the better champions in top lane'? What top lane champions are YOU comparing to her? I can go through the list of typical top lane champions and I can pretty much guarantee you that not a single one will come out as one who gets beaten by her. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] I was wondering with [[ravenous hydra]] ability being in can deal damage to surrounding enemies, would that damage count towards Lifesteal too? [/quote] Yes. All damage done through [[ravenous hydra]] (autoattack or active) does lifesteal.[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]Ok SirelI, I am willing to admit I have no really valid reason for her, you may be right and other champions are naturally better than her in the long run however for whats worth in my opinion Fiora isn't a bad champion to use, her style and her abilities are something I personally enjoy and I know that other out there will agree with me. You say the likes of [[master yi]] are better but I have played them both and I will say hand on heart I had more fun getting my butt whopped with [[Fiora]] than any wins I've recieved with other top laners. If I got a valid reason at all its that she has great potential as a champion when people play her right, her burst of speed deals with turrets and enemy champions faster than alot of other champions, her riposte and lunge can be deadly if timed currently and her Blade waltz is really good if it connects well. End of the day you can't write off any champion on the reason that other champions are better because then you would have Ranked games where there would only be 10 champions always picked if you understand where I am coming from, There is a saying "Theres no such thing as bad weather...just a poor choice of clothes" well for me its " theres no bad Fiora...just a poor build and play style" My goal with this build isn't to proclaim Fiora is the greatest top laner because that would be hard to prove, my goal is it merely show people that Fiora is better than they think, that if you give effort to her she can achieve things people can't seem to believe she could if that makes sense :)[/quote]

[quote=DeOnde][quote=sirell] Shitty gap closer, no CC, little to no burst (burst is extremely item reliant), easily zoned, outscaled by most champions, can't tank (especially with this kind of build), can't stick to the enemy. No joke, but she is the worst top laner possible.[/quote] Sky Williams Anyone?[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe][quote=MyBloodisBlack] If I got a valid reason at all its that she has great potential as a champion when people play her right [/quote] That can be said about any champion. [quote]End of the day you can't write off any champion on the reason that other champions are better[/quote] Well actually you can. If there would be a giant arena between all animals, I will definately not put my money on a rabbit, simply because pretty much any other animal can beat the shit out of the bunny. You can play Fiora, and you may even play her good, but if you face another top laner with a more meta-fitting champion which is played by a person that plays just as good as you. You will get wrecked.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=MyBloodisBlack] Ok SirelI, I am willing to admit I have no really valid reason for her, you may be right and other champions are naturally better than her in the long run however for whats worth in my opinion Fiora isn't a bad champion to use, her style and her abilities are something I personally enjoy and I know that other out there will agree with me.[/quote] Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing her and she's in my top 5 favourite champions, but fuck tryharding with her in ranked. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] You say the likes of [[master yi]] are better but I have played them both and I will say hand on heart I had more fun getting my butt whopped with [[Fiora]] than any wins I've recieved with other top laners. [/quote] [[master yi]] has more reliable DPS and can survive without as much defensive items because he has 2 decent gap closers, decent burst damage, and an innate sustain which can be used to tank moderate amounts of damage (though not as retardly much as the old AP Yi did... stand under a turret for centuries, walks away full hp). Simply put, [[master yi]] does everything [[fiora]] does and has better sticking power. He even has an ability which makes him invulnerable and untargetable for brief moments like [[fiora]] does and it's not even his ulti. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] If I got a valid reason at all its that she has great potential as a champion when people play her right, her burst of speed deals with turrets and enemy champions faster than alot of other champions, her riposte and lunge can be deadly if timed currently and her Blade waltz is really good if it connects well.[/quote] Lots of other champions deal with turrets just as quickly, i.e [[master yi]]. Leave a [[master yi]] alone in lane when he has a [[B.F. Sword]] and a [[zeal]], you can say goodbye to your turret if you don't get to it in the next 10s. [[riposte]] only blocks 1 autoattack, which is a bit of a pity because this ability has so much potential. I think it would make [[fiora]] that bit more viable if it parried attacks for a given amount of time (2s maybe) so that she can actually get close to the ADC without him 3-shotting her. [[blade waltz]] is pretty much the only redeemable thing about her and even then it's not amazing. You get a similar kind of output with [[talon]]'s ultimate. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] End of the day you can't write off any champion on the reason that other champions are better because then you would have Ranked games where there would only be 10 champions always picked if you understand where I am coming from, There is a saying "Theres no such thing as bad weather...just a poor choice of clothes" well for me its " theres no bad Fiora...just a poor build and play style" [/quote] I certainly can. I'm not saying people can't win with [[fiora]] because she's that bad, I'm just saying that in a lane of people of even skill, [[fiora]] will always always lose. The difference in champions is their kit and [[fiora]]'s kit is, quite frankly, disappointing. You can definitely say there are bad champions. Riot wouldn't be reworking champions unless they were problematic in someway, for example, unviable. Though this isn't always the case, it's certainly true for a few champions at least ([[karma]], [[Xin Zhao]]). Other times it's because champions are too OP ([[draven]]), but I highly doubt this is the case with [[fiora]]. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] My goal with this build isn't to proclaim Fiora is the greatest top laner because that would be hard to prove, my goal is it merely show people that Fiora is better than they think, that if you give effort to her she can achieve things people can't seem to believe she could if that makes sense :) [/quote] Well, yes and I did try to help in that respect but I felt that I had to make a disclaimer that [[fiora]] is hard to itemize for because her kit just doesn't really lend itself to any obviously useful builds. Truth be told, she's probably not THE worst champion in the game at the moment, but against any regular top laner of even skill, she stands no chance. [quote=De0nde]Sky Williams Anyone?[/quote] Well, I held the same opinion before I'd seen any of his content, but I think he makes quite an accurate assessment, to be honest. ;) EDIT: http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/champion/fiora/matchups Actually, I was wrong. She's literally at a disadvantage in all of her matchups.[/quote]