Xerath and Skarner Reworks: Better or worse?

[quote=Lord Kesharq]Not sure what i think of the new Xerath...dont like it much atm but then i have only played it once on 3v3 (that Q was annoying as at first i forgot about the charge up, also his passive has changed or is that just me?) Liking the new Skarner tho, not sure if i will still play him in the jungle now only as in the 2 games of 3v3 iv used him in he has owned in the solo lane (first game was against an Darius and the second was a lee sin). Oh and and i hate the LCS now...if tho guys had not been playing kayle she would not have had her Q nerfed and now being branded a support again. She is NOT a support damn it lol.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]after playing xerath i feel it could be a solid kit that needs some work. it would feel better if his q had more damage or magic pen or something for charging it. the move speed slow and the delay even on spell release makes charging it only really good if you can snipe while you are unseen. w they have to be practically right in the middle for the slow to be useful, otherwise good luck trying to chain w into e. e, what is this. make it move faster, even with its slow speed it doesnt feel exciting to stun someone with it. r is just complete shit as it is right now.[/quote]

[quote=sayhisam1][quote=GrandmasterD] Regarding numbers he didn't get a massive buff, that's bs. His ult got a minor buff on base damage but a good nerf on scaling (from 0.6 per blast to 0.43) so that's definitely a late-game nerf. Additionally the AoE got smaller and the delay higher. For compensation it got great range so his new ult definitely isn't the issue. [/quote] I think his new Ult is a huge issue; it just doesn't seem to me that it has the teamfight presence it once had. Before, you could deal massive damage to a carry in the back, and be able to kite with it. Now, you are forced to root yourself, and your ult does far less damage. Also, if you root yourself, you are highly susceptible to assassins in a teamfight. The old Xerath was good against assassins and dives because of his ms boost when he came out of the W, and cancelling his W hardly effected his burst at all. If you cancel his R, however, you are sacrificing a very large portion of your damage that is on a very high cooldown. It just doesn't work in a teamfight at all, and with the removal of the passive mpen, it does even less damage now, to the point that it seems kinda useless.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]riot said they dont want Xeraths new ult to have a teamfight presence just like TF ult and Karthus ult, its not meant to be a part of his teamfight combo its meant for cleanup or to hit someone to make the fight a 4v5[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]well guess what its still shit[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]TF's and Karthus have ults that are at least easy to snipe the target with: ie huge range. Xerath not so much. Its a bit like an Ez ult, only smaller and does about 1/3 of the damage.[/quote]

[quote=Fat_fast]Come on, it's not that terrible. His ult is terrific at murder an initiated target, and due to its incredible long range, hardly anyone would reach him in time to stop him unleash the 3 charge. Stand alone, he's kind of shitty but with proper comp, he could be a real hitman.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]i heard plenty of dissappointed comments regarding [[Skarner]]. Haven't tried (unlocked) him though. Regarding [[Xerath]] I have one one complaint: dafuq is that aoe radius? I can barely hit anything moving that isn't a bot, ffs. His use of range for his remaining spells are more in line with [[Ziggs]] and [[Lux]] so he seems fairly decent.[/quote]

[quote=Satella][quote=Pheyniex]Regarding [[Xerath]] I have one one complaint: dafuq is that aoe radius? I can barely hit anything moving that isn't a bot, ffs.[/quote] Lead people, so they either walk into ult AoE or take a long way around, which shortens the gap between them and your team.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=Satella] [quote=Pheyniex]Regarding [[Xerath]] I have one one complaint: dafuq is that aoe radius? I can barely hit anything moving that isn't a bot, ffs.[/quote] Lead people, so they either walk into ult AoE or take a long way around, which shortens the gap between them and your team. [/quote] I meant i can'tdo much about random sidestepping (extreme example: change direction to target someone else). I only played him twice, actually, so maybe i'd have to get used to it.[/quote]