Rune Changes Discussion

[quote=Vapora Dark]I've started using flat HP for now on Talon and AP casters, and am using scaling CDR on all champs I used to use flat CDR on. No changes to marks and quints.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]I think I'll test flat/scaling HP seals on my mages that can do without the armor (Akali, Fizz?) and I'll test 3/2/1 life steal quints with 0/1/2 ad quints on ADC.[/quote]

[quote=Bryun][quote=Janitsu] I think I'll test flat/scaling HP seals on my mages that can do without the armor (Akali, Fizz?) and I'll test 3/2/1 life steal quints with 0/1/2 ad quints on ADC. [/quote] ya will probably revert back to hp/scaling seals for [[akali]][/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]scaling hp seems good on mages i alread noticed fizz especially. Also i think scaling mr is alot better at least on jungle and top i take it all time now not sure about mid or bot.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=Cooper112] scaling hp seems good on mages i alread noticed fizz especially. Also i think scaling mr is alot better at least on jungle and top i take it all time now not sure about mid or bot. [/quote] Considering it breaks even a lot faster, it makes early teamfights easier to survive. Also makes managing whatever magic damage you still receive in lane easier to deal with. Really noticed a difference in how much a solo support or roaming mid-laner could dish out against me. I don't think I'm going to be changing many of my runes. Health seals for my AP page would probably be about it.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Attack speed quints in jungle.... :)[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=FantasySniper] [quote=Cooper112] scaling hp seems good on mages i alread noticed fizz especially. Also i think scaling mr is alot better at least on jungle and top i take it all time now not sure about mid or bot. [/quote] Considering it breaks even a lot faster, it makes early teamfights easier to survive. Also makes managing whatever magic damage you still receive in lane easier to deal with. Really noticed a difference in how much a solo support or roaming mid-laner could dish out against me. I don't think I'm going to be changing many of my runes. Health seals for my AP page would probably be about it. [/quote] Well part reason i think scaling mr is good now is top lane early on most op laners dont have alot of magic. Ryze is fairly weak early on and kennen its actually usually his autos that are what poke you down not his magic dmg. So not many ap tops to worry about and jungle you are not vs magic early on. Actually im not sure if i would replace armor for mid think about playing against a lb who runs hybrid pen if your just running hp autos of alot mids would hurt... really bad early game.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Cooper112] [quote=FantasySniper] [quote=Cooper112] scaling hp seems good on mages i alread noticed fizz especially. Also i think scaling mr is alot better at least on jungle and top i take it all time now not sure about mid or bot. [/quote] Considering it breaks even a lot faster, it makes early teamfights easier to survive. Also makes managing whatever magic damage you still receive in lane easier to deal with. Really noticed a difference in how much a solo support or roaming mid-laner could dish out against me. I don't think I'm going to be changing many of my runes. Health seals for my AP page would probably be about it. [/quote] Well part reason i think scaling mr is good now is top lane early on most op laners dont have alot of magic. Ryze is fairly weak early on and kennen its actually usually his autos that are what poke you down not his magic dmg. So not many ap tops to worry about and jungle you are not vs magic early on. Actually im not sure if i would replace armor for mid think about playing against a lb who runs hybrid pen if your just running hp autos of alot mids would hurt... really bad early game. [/quote] She's going to do a LOT more damage with her spells, which armor will be useless against, and unless you're melee, you shouldn't be getting auto-attacked so much that not having armor is a problem for you.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=FantasySniper] [quote=Cooper112] scaling hp seems good on mages i alread noticed fizz especially. Also i think scaling mr is alot better at least on jungle and top i take it all time now not sure about mid or bot. [/quote] Considering it breaks even a lot faster, it makes early teamfights easier to survive. Also makes managing whatever magic damage you still receive in lane easier to deal with. Really noticed a difference in how much a solo support or roaming mid-laner could dish out against me. I don't think I'm going to be changing many of my runes. Health seals for my AP page would probably be about it. [/quote] Well part reason i think scaling mr is good now is top lane early on most op laners dont have alot of magic. Ryze is fairly weak early on and kennen its actually usually his autos that are what poke you down not his magic dmg. So not many ap tops to worry about and jungle you are not vs magic early on. Actually im not sure if i would replace armor for mid think about playing against a lb who runs hybrid pen if your just running hp autos of alot mids would hurt... really bad early game. [/quote] She's going to do a LOT more damage with her spells, which armor will be useless against, and unless you're melee, you shouldn't be getting auto-attacked so much that not having armor is a problem for you. [/quote] You must not be against very many good mids if you dont think there autos dont do much if your a talon vs lb you will need armor. Im not saying dont ever take hp im saying armor for most match ups and in competitive play will still be king. If you only have 3 rune pages and one ap dont be changing out them armor runes yet i would argue armor is more balanced and good in all cases hp is good sure but i still think armor is safer and scales better out of lane. Still early to say what will be best i have seen some mids use hp lvl some armor lvl some still falt armor.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Cooper112] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Cooper112] [quote=FantasySniper] [quote=Cooper112] scaling hp seems good on mages i alread noticed fizz especially. Also i think scaling mr is alot better at least on jungle and top i take it all time now not sure about mid or bot. [/quote] Considering it breaks even a lot faster, it makes early teamfights easier to survive. Also makes managing whatever magic damage you still receive in lane easier to deal with. Really noticed a difference in how much a solo support or roaming mid-laner could dish out against me. I don't think I'm going to be changing many of my runes. Health seals for my AP page would probably be about it. [/quote] Well part reason i think scaling mr is good now is top lane early on most op laners dont have alot of magic. Ryze is fairly weak early on and kennen its actually usually his autos that are what poke you down not his magic dmg. So not many ap tops to worry about and jungle you are not vs magic early on. Actually im not sure if i would replace armor for mid think about playing against a lb who runs hybrid pen if your just running hp autos of alot mids would hurt... really bad early game. [/quote] She's going to do a LOT more damage with her spells, which armor will be useless against, and unless you're melee, you shouldn't be getting auto-attacked so much that not having armor is a problem for you. [/quote] You must not be against very many good mids if you dont think there autos dont do much if your a talon vs lb you will need armor. Im not saying dont ever take hp im saying armor for most match ups and in competitive play will still be king. If you only have 3 rune pages and one ap dont be changing out them armor runes yet i would argue armor is more balanced and good in all cases hp is good sure but i still think armor is safer and scales better out of lane. Still early to say what will be best i have seen some mids use hp lvl some armor lvl some still falt armor. [/quote] Someone on reddit did the maths, and HP seals give more effective HP at level 1, even against purely physical matchups. Granted they didn't take HP regen into account, but that should show that they're easily stronger vs APs. And no I'm not scared of a fucking 50 AD auto attack harass lol. If my HP seals defend me from a Riven all in better than armor seals do, I'm pretty confident HP seals will protect me better against a high magic damage burst mage. The physical damage from auto attack harass shouldn't be too much because you shouldn't be taking too many hits. Only when you're going for a last hit.[/quote]