Proposal to improve overall quality of C9 guides

[quote=utopus]They've been writing guides for the past 2 days. If they will be writing any other guides, then this will save them a lot time writing that guide, and allow them to share some of their in-depth knowledge of a champion. If they do not accept the guide, or look at it for a while, then we'll have a in depth collab guide on a champion. Still a win for us[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]1. Oriana 2. Zyra 3. Yasuo[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote=XeresAce]1. Oriana 2. [u][b]Zyra[/b][/u] 3. Yasuo[/quote] LomoNation has already covered Zyra. Want to change your 2nd vote?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=utopus]They've been writing guides for the past 2 days.[/quote] Not really, these guides have been in the works for quite a while. I'm a little confused as to what your goal is here. How do you intend to submit your draft to the members of C9? How much time do you think this would save them? As others have mentioned, C9 members didn't spend hours coding these guides, so I'm not sure what more you expect to get out of them by creating a draft guide.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=PsiGuard] I'm a little confused as to what your goal is here. [/quote] appeasement of butthurt peoples[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I think that the reason some of their guides are so shallow is because they are having to write about the basic tricks and tips on playing a champion, and that is distracting them from going really in depth on a champion. An appropriate comparison would be reviewing an already existing guide, versus creating a brand new champion guide. A guide reviewer would quickly be able to pick out the problematic areas of the new guide, and pave the way for significant improvement. A guide writer is so caught up in including, and teaching the foundations of playing a champion, that they can often times simply forget to go further in depth. If we assumed that that the current volume of content they write in a guide took them an hour, then if we submitted a draft of our collab guide to them, they could probably spend as little as 15 minutes correcting, and refining the guide submission, and making an actually helpful guide. If you really think that C9 sweats their time management to that extent, it would actually incentivize the C9 members to simply modify our guide draft; It is good for them, because we would save them 45 minutes of their valuable time, and good for us because we would get one pretty nice guide. I do not quite know of the appropriate method of delivery for this guide yet, but it would likely be through a PM, or something of the like, if we cannot get a mobafire member that is more in touch with C9 to bring attention to this. If we take a successful scenario where the appropriate C9 member looks at our guide, this is the series of events that I expect to occur: 1. C9 member will take 5 minutes to read the guide 2. C9 member will think something along the lines of, "[i]A[/i] is wrong, it should be this. [i]B[/i] is Right, but the way i'd describe [i]B[/i] would be something along the lines of [i]this[/i]. [i]C[/i] is right, but did you know that you can do [i]D[/i] and usually get better results?" ... so on and so forth Let's take the worst case scenario - none of the C9 members ever log on mobafire again and do not look at the collab. Even if that happens, we still get a bomb as heck guide on a high skill cap champion. The co-operation of mobafire members would bring the community closer together. I'm surprised you're not more supportive of this idea, psiguard. I've turned my head every which way and I just can't seem to find a truly bad outcome from this kind of thing.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]My perspective might be colored by my own preferences as a guide author, but personally I would not review a guide that other people have written and offer it up as my own work. If the guide required significant enough changes, I'd rather just write my own from scratch (it'd probably be just as fast too, especially without any coding). If there is a way to entice the C9 members to spend more time going in depth in their guides, I don't feel that this time-saving strategy is it. It was rather difficult to even get some of these guides to their current state since the C9 members' free time (or motivation?) for writing is apparently very limited. I didn't say it was an awful idea -- I just don't think it'll work. To be honest your worst-case scenario sounds fine to me. If you want to create a quality collaborative guide, why not just do that? Why does C9 need to be involved at all? Anyway I sort of expect that to be the result anyway so it doesn't really matter much what I think about it. If you can somehow get C9 members to write more complete guides then more power to you.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][s]I think MobaFire would have been better off with C9 providing just stock builds, rather than trying to write guides.[/s] The C9 guides I've read so far have some surprising insights, and I feel like I learn from reading them. I think it's these small tips and tricks that help win games and perhaps long guides should supplement C9 guides? My only problem with the guides I have read is the wording; people who read guides take every word as gospel and something like "harass combo do this when you have full mana" will mean readers will waste escape abilities etc to get the "harass combo" off - if you know what I mean. Also, it would have been better for the community if C9 spent 10 minutes a day in the Q&A section answering questions or participating in one forum thread per day.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]As said elsewhere, the point is to bring people so getting the flashy thing saying "C9 Approved" is bound to do that. I do agree a Q&A or having some heavy presence on a thread would work as well and probably be a lot more interesting though[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Even an off-on again AMA thread would be great :)[/quote]