7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=FalseoGod]You're probably a lot more experienced with him than I am. Hybrid pen marks, flat AP or MS Quints depending on matchup, armor + health combination on seals and mres glyphs (he's still short ranged). Core and lich bane rush as well. Void staff, Rabadon, Zhonya/Rylai, although sometimes I get a Morello for CDR and if the enemy team has a lot of annoying healers like Nami/Irelia/ADC combination on stuff like that.[/quote]

[quote=Azhag]What support can carry low elo nowdays?[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Azhag]What support can carry low elo nowdays?[/quote] I did it with [[leona]], so I assume other higher-tier play-making supports like [[thresh]] and [[braum]] can easily do it too. Good [[janna]] and [[nami]] players can assumedly make it work too.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Eh...I'm a perfect example of how [[Nami]] doesn't carry for shit in low elo. At least not on NA. high damage supports like [[Karma]]/[[Zyra]]/[[Vel'koz]] can also carry.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Well, I assumed that you had to be of a certain capability at least. Her ult is pretty game-changing, so that's why I'd put her up there as a support that can carry. But I'm not really a [[nami]] player, so...[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=sirell]Well, I assumed that you had to be of a certain capability at least. Her ult is pretty game-changing, so that's why I'd put her up there as a support that can carry. But I'm not really a [[nami]] player, so...[/quote]Yes, but she generally relies on allies to back her up. Carrying with champions like that is next to impossible in low elo because you can't force people to react to [[tidal wave]] or [[aqua prison]] properly. You pretty much have to spoonfeed your allies or carry yourself and champions like [[Thresh]]/[[Braum]]/[[Leona]] are better at the former, while [[Zyra]]/[[Karma]]/[[Vel'koz]] are better at the latter. this is coming from someone who spent most of the season maining [[Nami]] in low elo and getting nowhere despite playing well in 80% of their games.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Would you say the same of [[janna]]?[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=sirell]Would you say the same of [[janna]]?[/quote] in my experience, yes (though I've played a hell of a lot less [[Janna]] this season than I have [[Nami]]). I've generally had bad luck carrying with support period tbh. Should be noted that even high elo support mains don't generally try to carry with support at low elo on smurfs. EDIT: I'm not some perfect example, nor is my opinion necessarily correct either. Just making comments based on personal experience.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]I think Nami should be great for carrying in low elo, but I don't know what NA is like, so maybe it's down to the server.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=MissMaw]I think Nami should be great for carrying in low elo, but I don't know what NA is like, so maybe it's down to the server.[/quote]Probably comes down to other factors too (individual playstyle, ect.). I was just relaying an opinion based on personal experience. NA is full of crappy players about like you'd expect in low elo.[/quote]