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You allow yourself too much honey ( but really ).
And builiding Chalice of Harmony is really epic fail and proves you don't know how to mix your Sona's spells correctly because I have never seen anyone building that item ( maybe 2 times ) and they work perfectly. Sona is not here to spam her spells whenever they come to 0 cooldown, as you might lose your mana very fast ( and I'm pretty sure you do it all the time and that's why you buy Chalice of Harmony ).
1000 games? Sure.. that's why you have 60% in ranked. Btw your team survives without having Chalice of Harmony, you just need to use your spells like normal Sona players does. I have never had such mana problems as you do - just to known.
You lose your mana very quickly - What sorcery is this?
Buying Chalice of Harmony - You have made, an unwise....... decision...
This topic is closed and I don't wanna talk about it anymore. If you want to discuss about this, feel free to PM me.
Best regards,
Your Nemo.
I think you missunderstood my point about Song of Celerity. I am pretty sure that Speed is not the allround win tool for laneing. I am not saying that her Hymn of Valor is worse than her E in laneing phase. Definitely not. It is an outright drawback. If I would lane against another Sona with Q, I would have troubles in lane and likely loose it. The reason why I still say that it is better by far, is that your maxed E will do you more good in teamfights than a Q (and since supports are always back in levels, you just put those points there asap).
I win all teamfights. My mates survive. Enemies die sooner or later. But they all die. If you disagree, I take it into account, but I don't really care.
About the Chalice of Harmony. You are wrong to say that any Mana Regeneration item can replact it. The passive not only is the passive unique, but it is such a good passive and has such extensive synergy with my usage of her skills, that no Aura items can replace that. ( Shurelya's Battlesong + Soul Shroud = 27 MReg/5sec will never allow you to spamm consistently, for that you need around 70 MReg/5sec). Sure it may work with YOUR playstayle and YOU may skip it in YOUR build and YOUR guide. But don't tell my it works in this case MY case, which MY guide is talking about. I respect your way to play her. Your help offer is respectfully noted but I do not need it.
I stand to everything I say in my guide, it is long tested in over 1000 games I have had with Sona, half of them ranked (and yes, I won 60% of them). My history with her goes over 2 years and I have build everything on her. I know what I am talking about and I won't let you spoil it. You can downvote if you like, but thats all you may do.
No one is forcing you use it in game, or tell others to like it.
Kindly - and rather straightforward - your
Gott der 7 Meere
Hello Nemo,
I bet that all my readers are confused about my skill order and my item choice regarding Chalice of Harmony. These are the things that set my guide appart.
I am aware that her Q can be leveled first for better laneing, and the Chalice can be skipped in favour of other items. I tried to point this out on various occations.
I also tried to do my best to explain my deviation from (all) other guides in this regard. Let me summarize it again.
My build is about forsaking damage on Sona. ENTIRELY. All she will have are annoying E and W Staccatos and autoattacks. They are not meant to do damage, but to set the enemy up for your lane partner's damage. You won't win a 2v2 easily. THAT IS THE DOWNSIDE.
Now what do you get in return ?
Endless mobility! YOU. WILL. ALWAYS. BE. FASTER. THEN. THE. ENEMY.
Anyone around you will NEVER be cought but ALWAYS catch his prey. That is the reasoning behind my build. You need the Chalice for that, since her speedup is mana intensive, but it will be worth it. Ganks will be in your favour (enemy or your own teams), teamfights will be yours to take. THIS IS THE UPSIDE.
Now, I still see your point. You may take her Q early, it has its upsides, and sometimes it can be better. Even after the nerv, one level auras are still better than no auras. And concerning MReg, I just want to point out that the Chalice of Harmony is the cheapest MReg item and gives you a lot of MR early. Still, you may choose to skip it, as I said in my guide.
I am thinking about changing the skill order, to not vexe to many readers, but honestly, this is my way to play her and it works remarkably well for me.
Please try it out before you judge it.
Best regards,
Gott der 7 Meere
I know you are pointing out some new way to play Sona but I am just trying to help because there is a low number of Sona players who actually goes to that style of gameplay.
Mobility from your Song of Celerity is not always 100% escape tool so I prefer taking one point on level 5 or 2 ( 3 ). There are small chances your enemy lane will have higer movement speed than you do, but even if they do you have that 40% slow.
We all know that Sona is mana hungry and I don't recommend Chalice of Harmony You can buy Philosopher's Stone for additional mana regen and than upgrade it. Chalice of Harmony is unable to be upgraded and you will benefit more from Philosopher's Stone, as it gives you fine amount of mana regen, health regen as well as GOLD PER 10 SECONDS - what is important ---> Aura Sona. I recommend you to use "Mana Saving Mode" ( as described in my Guide ).
If you choose AP Sona ( just mentioning ), there is still no point to spend your gold on Chalice of Harmony, as there is Tear of the Goddess that costs only 115 more gold but is also upgradeable and is stacking your mana constantly.
I'm not judging anything :) I'm just saying my opinion ( and it really works fantastic for me ). Your build might be perfect for you ( as you said ) and I respect it, but I'm trying to point out that there is even better way to use your gold as Sona. ( and + I did try that build before: "Please try it out before you judge it." :D .
Best regards,
Your Nemo.
I bet that all my readers are confused about my skill order and my item choice regarding Chalice of Harmony. These are the things that set my guide appart.
I am aware that her Q can be leveled first for better laneing, and the Chalice can be skipped in favour of other items. I tried to point this out on various occations.
I also tried to do my best to explain my deviation from (all) other guides in this regard. Let me summarize it again.
My build is about forsaking damage on Sona. ENTIRELY. All she will have are annoying E and W Staccatos and autoattacks. They are not meant to do damage, but to set the enemy up for your lane partner's damage. You won't win a 2v2 easily. THAT IS THE DOWNSIDE.
Now what do you get in return ?
Endless mobility! YOU. WILL. ALWAYS. BE. FASTER. THEN. THE. ENEMY.
Anyone around you will NEVER be cought but ALWAYS catch his prey. That is the reasoning behind my build. You need the Chalice for that, since her speedup is mana intensive, but it will be worth it. Ganks will be in your favour (enemy or your own teams), teamfights will be yours to take. THIS IS THE UPSIDE.
Now, I still see your point. You may take her Q early, it has its upsides, and sometimes it can be better. Even after the nerv, one level auras are still better than no auras. And concerning MReg, I just want to point out that the Chalice of Harmony is the cheapest MReg item and gives you a lot of MR early. Still, you may choose to skip it, as I said in my guide.
I am thinking about changing the skill order, to not vexe to many readers, but honestly, this is my way to play her and it works remarkably well for me.
Please try it out before you judge it.
Best regards,
Gott der 7 Meere
I read your guide and I was a little bit confused with your Hymn of Valor leveling. I can see that you are going on aura Sona but Hymn of Valor is way better than Song of Celerity on early levels. Why?
If you ask me, this item is really pointless on Sona. I tried it few times and did not like it very much. If you do aura build, it is pretty sure that you will have high amount of mana regen so Chalice of Harmony will be just a waste of gold. Same with AP Sona build, where Tear of the Goddess is able to remove all mana problems.
Anyway, this is well detailed Guide and I like it. Though it needs some "repairs" I'm amazed with the thing you have done here. Well done :) .
Best regards,
Your Nemo.
This build is awesome! The more in depth, the better. I love the explanations of the different builds, cheap alternatives, and counters. You really know your stuff, it shows.
It gets a bit thick towards the end, but still very informative. I might add more paragraph breaks, but that is about it.
Good job!
I feel that Sona has to stay in the heat of battle, since she needs to use her abilites again and again, she needs Tankyness more than other supports, therefore I use quite many tank items...
I am happy to see that others like the Soul Shroud, too. Because it would win the best Sona item contest IMO.
@giantzombi: I was aware that the guide is rather long. I hope you are more comfortable with the [*] now optional partitioning. Still, this is an in-depth guide and deleting sections from it, will make it rather incomplete. I have gone through it again, and changed a lot in format, it now looks a little better. It is still a work in progress, tough.
@ TheBromacian: Yes, you are right, although not quite a Pickaxe her damage aura is sizable. I don't quite get what you want to say with your comment, please elaborate more, so we can discuss it.