I've been using this guide for a while its and its really good. I think the only counter is teemo though

Absurd... Why the nerf?

And why do you say "That's game?"

It doesn't render him useless. He just can't engage as often. He's a completely burst based character anyway.

Question for the OP: Tips on dealing with Teemo in lane 1v1/2v1? The little jerk is a nightmare for Garen.

Judgment [ E ] - Cooldown is now 15/14/13/12/11 (up from 13/12/11/10/9 Seconds, but starts at the start of Judgment rather than at the end)
Judgment [ E ] - Now deals 20/40/60/80/100 (changed from 20/45/70/95/120)
Judgment [ E ] - Tooltip now says it has 0.1/0.15/0.2/0.25/0.3 bonus Critical Strike chance

Well, that's game for Tank Garen.

Yes this build is really helps me.. A friend of mine have suggested Warmongs Armor before Sunfire Cap, beacuse of huge health bonus. But it is both very expansive and it doesn't help me to kill the minions like the Sunfire Cap does. I'm still new in this game it less than a week. But I feel that play as a tank is a all about patience.

Thanks for the build.

Signed in just to say how awesome this build is. I'm a week into this game and I'm shocked at my ability to survive. Thanks, great build. Best of all, I murder Spin2Crit Garens. :)

This build id definitely the best build I tried, by far over the usual spin to crit! I'm still at low levels so this may change along time, but I feel that this build becomes VERY strong in late game! It's not unusual that I manage to take on 3 enemies at the same time! I really thank you Tuna, before your guide I was a meh player with garen, but now I win almost every game (if I have a decent team....). If I could upvote this 10k times I would do, this really needs a better rating! As a strange fact, I find that this build is particullary strong against spin2crit garens...

^First off, upvoted. This guide helped me in my rut. This guide is very efficient at what it does. Garen can tank and still deal dmg to the ADC even later in the game. I take from your item choices (ie. Thornmail and boots of switfness) it seems like this type of Garen is more suited to diving carries which is good. I personally think the only reason people are so skeptical of this build is the old mentality of the classic Garen back a few patches. This build does resemble that "older" style of building Garen more tank orientated with dmg being second.

The whole reason why "spintocrit" is so reknown is because it was pretty revolutionary at the time for Garen. The fact that courage gave you flat armor and mr without building any, meant you could go straight dmg + hp. While this build isn't as revolutionary (which is why ppl aren't as impressed by it) it gets the job done properly. It's like an old idea updated, so that's probably why this build isn't higher up atm. People generally know that sunfire cape is very efficient for Garen and that brutilizer and it's incarnations are good. Season 2 Garen I felt with "spintocrit" was supposed to be able to kill both front line then backline, but now that's not possible with all the changes. Anywho, the guide is good and i definiely reccomend it as a staple Garen build nowadays. With Randuim's and especially thornmail, I feel Garen's main purpose is to simply get in the ADCs face so he has no choice but to shoot you. With all the dashes and shields these days, that thornmail is going to be your life saver.

It's hilarious how people completely set something aside in this game if they don't see big damage items. It's why Spin2Crit Garen had been at the top of the Garen charts on this site for so long.

Garen STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE WITH THIS BUILD. I would not play him like this if he didn't. With Max CDR you are spinning and silencing SIGNIFICANTLY more. With BC/Youmuu's you still get good increases in damage. There is no way the enemy ADC is going to be able to ignore you. WHEN the enemy ADC addresses you -- which he will, or else die -- he will be shut down by Thornmail and Randuins. As I have said many times by now, Garen's only problem is the enemy ADC. This build just makes more sense and allows Garen to fulfill his role better.


With that said, this is only a baseline model. Infinity Edge still has its place in some games. I am not 100% sure how you find that replacing essentially 1 item makes the build mobamainstream, especially since it incorporates Youmuu's Ghostblade which noone uses and puts emphasis on maxing CDR early which noone does. Try it out before you harp on it!

I think, you forgot something in your new build. First, Garen has no CC except a silence. Second, if you just buy tank items, you deal no damage. So, the problem is, with that build, you deal no dmg, nobody focuses you and you end up beeing totally useless lategame. If you mix damage and survivability, they can't just ignore you because you still deal damage and you are worth focusing. By beeing worth focusing, you take away damage from your team. This way, you aren't totally useless lategame.

Your build was unique in the fact that it made a good balance of offense and defence, now, it is just mainstream mobafire and not worth looking at.

Sword of the Divine is a very, VERY situational item that should be avoided by almost everyone in the game. Even for the few that it CAN work on, the item itself is a gamble, and is very inconsistent.

For Garen, you are definitely not getting your money's worth out of the item. For 2,200, you can get a lot of better stuff.

Youmuu's is much better for Garen than SoTD. Firstly, the move speed boost is an invaluable tool to catch speedy carries. The AD, armor pen, and crit rate all consistently benefit Garen. The CDR is also excellent for Garen.

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I am about to update my build. Stay tuned all!

What are your thoughts about replacing Youmuu's Ghostblade with Sword of the Divine? This item increases your damage by a very big amount for 1 Decisive Strike+ Judgment and allows you to basically instantly kill anyone while Demacian Justice is up. I think it has high risk, but also high reward.

Gotta check out health regen quins trust me you think garen is sustainable now just wait