Riiight... Hmmm... Well in NA it's spelled "roar" for future posts... Would you atleast like to read the math before you post next time, thanks...

lvl 4 in NA :p

You are a lv 4 summoner? Is this Marsdreamer with a new profile?

Sorry dude, but maxing rolling thunder before Majestic Rawr is just wrong. The main point of rolling thunder is just the flip. like Marsdreamer said, Majestic Roar works as a great damage output spell.

Well i guess the point of this is that if you want to go 18-5 you do it using my build, and if you want to go negative kd while jungling use... Other peoples build guides! If you will look at what he had in his build you will notice Wit's End, Madred's Bloodrazor and Ionic Spark all of which are found in my guide but not even found in "other guides" AT ALL... This is a site where peers compair ideas and talk about which one works best? Well i'm sorry but results speak for themselves, not intended to be mean, just facts! People reading my guide should know that mine has seen good results used in my hands and in the hands of my enemies while other builds have... Not seen so much luck... This is not trolling as anyone can use this feature in the main game! Go to champion profile and on the top right you will see "find summoner" click in a name and they will come up with their "past games"... This is not something Riot is trying to hide from the world? You have the right to know if the build actually works, I have added some of my past games on the bottom of my guide so you can see, but if you doubt just look up SsenkradII and check out my past games!

I am not going to vote on this because I too have a Voli jungle build, however I think you are sorely crimping your damage output by taking Rolling Thunder first.

Reason being it's simply a utility based spell.

There are two flaws with your math. The first you're not taking into account the attack speed steroid that Frenzy grants you, which procs your Wriggles during jungling as well as adds to your over DPS during attacking.

Secondly, if you wanted to level a skill based on raw damage output (as you suggest for Rolling Thunder), Majestic Roar does more damage and is equally beneficial as a utility skill.

Like I said I will abstain from voting either way simply because I too have a guide and I find that rather unfair. However you should in the future, refrain from lowering your arguments to the level of personal insults and racism. It is rather unseemly and has no place in the Moba Fire community as well as in the League of Legends community.

sry but no