I read it. And it reminded me how much of an idiot Nomible is.

Months late, but such I had such an enjoyable time reading these comments :D

Shame about the guide, the author was being remarkably mature and civil. I'm impressed. Unfortunately doesn't change the fact that this guide is poop. (sorry friend, it really is)

Welp, bet no ones will read this anyway since I'm so late to the party so................

BIG FAT WIENERS!

kbye

Budget AP items and/or typical support items.

Morellonomicon or Athene's Unholy Grail at most, Haunting Guise, Sorcerer's Shoes, Ruby Sightstone... that's pretty much as far as you will usually get. Actually, you really want to be going to typical support items anyway, like Locket of the Iron Solari, Shurelya's Battlesong. Other options include ones I said earlier, like Twin Shadows, Mikael's Blessing.

The majority of your money should be going into extra wards/ Oracle's Elixir anyway, though.

Support Annie is played like any normal support in terms of build. Then you can build the same budget AP items if you get ahead.

The value of a support is in what they can do WITHOUT items. So a Blitzcrank still has his pull, Thresh still has boatloads of CC, Fiddlesticks can poke/fear, etc etc. That's why as a support, Orianna really isn't all that strong. MS boost, shield and skill-based shockwave. As Lasty said, if you want any of those things, you've got stronger options elsewhere.

Then how is it done senpai?

I'm sorry. From now on I'll just try to stay away from sirell, as I don't think it has any further use to bother with him anymore. No offense.

@Quite Nomible - For the most part you are being civil but please do not call people ignorant / ******ed, and I hope you listen to Sirell's request that you take any conversation not pertaining to this specific guide to pms.

@Sirell - The way you are talking is very condescending and rude. I would consider it excessively aggressive at times. Profanity is ok but sometimes the way you use it, or just response to things in general, is overly negative.

Everybody please keep on the topic of the guide and let's not make this about a specific person or another guide. If you have a problem with a specific person take it to pms.

The reason people keep mentioning it is because it surely is a mistake from your side. It doesn't matter that you already explained why you, in your opinion, don't need health pots - it is flat out stupid.

You can explain as much as you want, but if something is incorrect, it will always be and no explanation will change that. The only thing that might change, is the perception of people.
However, in league we can solve a lot with maths (even though I would never overdo it) and standard logics so we have no room for perceptions.

I would love to see your lolking profile because to me, you look like someone who has no idea what he/she is doing. If you aren't at least silver, I cannot take this guide seriously at all.

I would recommend you listen to the things Sirell pointed out; even though he is known for being quite harsh from time to time, he is often right and so is he here. Perhaps have a look how some other off-the-meta supports like Fiddlesticks and Elise are built. And obviously play some more solo queue to get some more knowledge of this game.

Don't worry, I decided to just ignore whatever he said; not gonna read it as he clearly has nothing worth listening to.



It really isn't.



I've tried, to the best of my ability, to explain why it's rubbish.




Ah, and there it is. The 'omg, you metahead' argument. No, I'm not. I love to play unviable stuff in normals and support Orianna is actually something I like to run. I also play a lot of support LeBlanc and Nidalee as well (both of which ARE strongly ill-advised), I've played support Ashe, support Teemo, support Veigar, support Shaco. But damn me if I ever admit that any of this **** is even remotely viable in a competitive game or strong.

I've also already explained why your item build is bad.



Take it or leave it. I really don't give a ****. If you're going to get all sensitive over words on the internet, you should really consider changing games. And I'll be honest, I really didn't flip a switch until two guys with good but extremely misdirected intentions started talking.



I hope you realise that MOBAFire is largely an amateur LoL site, not professional. People aren't obliged to give you feedback or be particularly nice to you. I could have just downvoted and left, but I took the time and actually wrote a comment. If people want to complain about my attitude when commenting, then they should consider two things: 1) I didn't have to comment and point out the errors 2) there's always the report option.



We can, but seriously, it takes up more time than it's worth. And I've been at this for a fair amount of time.



For the love of God... NO amount of explanation can justify Scaling AP Quints, or Rabadon's Deathcap, or Void Staff, the incorrect skill sequencing, the ill-advised masteries and the lack of sight wards and Oracles. Even if we make an error and something is actually written in your guide, then perhaps your formatting isn't as clear as it could be or, by the large, your guide is just actually so bad that it warrants a downvote either way. We don't need to read explanations if the idea is wrong in the first place.

If someone ran this exact setup in a solo que game at my elo I'd be forced to report them. They clearly didn't want to win the game so they should face the Tribunal.

When choosing a non-meta support ask yourself if a meta support does what you're looking for Orianna to do. You won't be doing damage as you wont have enough gold for damage items. So you want a shield and CC. Well Nami has double the CC Ori has and a heal. Janna has a far superior kit as well without income. You are looking for a womboy ultimate? Look no further than support Annie or Leona. No reason to ever play Ori support as its horrible.

Oh boy, this discussion has been going ballistic over the last day.
I suppose it's time to get those hands dirty.

First off, Sirell, I find it a shame you and I can't find too much common ground.
I've tried, to my best ability, to explain why I created my build in the way it is.
Sadly, I can't seem to get you to even consider the other options present, which I find a true shame.
But I guess it's understandable, you wouldn't be the first and surely not the last to stick to safe and secure dogmas instead of opening up to other possibilities. I can't ask you to change your mindset. What I did ask was to give this guide your honest two cents, and you've surely done so, for which I am still rather grateful.
Some improvements will definitely be made.
Also, should you wish to post some more thoughts, I would like to ask you once again to maybe cut back a bit on the profanity. Your feedback is just as valued as any other's, but the lack of decency might come accross as an equal lack of professionalism.

Second, as much as I support people discussing with eachother in this section, I would like to remind everyone that the point of this tab is not to go at eachother's throat, but rather to discuss the builds and strategies shown within the guide. Attempts to get personal with people and insults show, here as well, a lack of professionalism.
And let's be honest here gents, we can all be civilized people on the internet, now can't we?

Lastly, I see a lot of comments tend to be about things already explained within the guide.
I must, once again, implore people to read the guide to find out why certain choices were made and to check the notes at the item build to stop another ''Why no health potions?'' comment from happening.

Here's to hoping this discussion will brew me up some more good ideas and suggestions.
I'll posts some updates somewhere at the end of this week for those interested.
-Rand.

So you don't want to waste time and effort in first place, but you end up doing so many times. See the following paragraph why. Authors not willing to put effort in their guides? Why do you think they made a guide in first place?



In this case, you did, yes. In my Lulu guide, for example, you didn't at all. This is why motives are relevant: you need to know what the author writes to get some decent feedback going, so you can convince him way easier why these choices are bad, and they're more willingly to listen to you way easier. If you already know that you aren't going to win with this build because you know how to play this champion, you change his motives in favour to yours, so he will improve in his guide and gameplay. If you aren't going to convince him in your motives, then you will end up in endless discussions and ultimately waste of time. Why going the hard way if you can go the easy way? Why do you think that an overload of the people would choose the easy way of giving criticism?



My point wasn't about the oh so important up or downvotes. My point was about the endless, and sometimes pointless discussions you made. Also, why would you even discuss if you don't care about the author in first place?



I just gave you the reasons why people do that, so you probably would learn how to prevent that in the future, but if you want to be ignorant as hell forever, then I'm not going to bother you anymore.



The points are pretty much already made by others. It's kinda pointless to say that again. Before you tell me that it's so bad that I didn't contribute anything: I felt like this was more important to point out right now. In other news: I actually do contribute to other guides, if you weren't ignorant enough not to see it.

All wrong. Again.

It is not up to me how people receive critique. I am not going to waste my time writing everything out in paragraphs because the guide author failed to do the proper research. I used to do that and trust me, it was not rewarding in the least. So much effort for so little return. I want to see that the guide author is actually willing to put effort in the right direction before committing to helping them.

The MAJORITY of my critique is based on the cheatsheet, not all. If what is in the cheatsheet is wrong, it logically follows that what is written in the guide to 'explain it' is also wrong. And in this case, I also read parts of the guide itself. Otherwise I wouldn't have known that he didn't write anything on warding or oracles, would I?

Motives ARE irrelevant. You can mean to do many things in League of Legends, but with a serious guide, only the results matter - will it get me wins? He can mean well, but that says absolutely nothing about whether or not his guide is correct or effective.

I don't care if the author gives a **** about me or not, tbh. That's why they end up with more downvotes than upvotes (as I recall your Lulu guide did).

Quite frankly, I don't want to understand you. What you say is absolutely pointless. You're not the first one to give me the 'please be nicer' speech and I have given my response to that many times.

But again, we are now off topic and you have still yet to contribute anything towards this guide. If you have any further grief, you can PM me, but as it stands, you have added nothing to this guide.