Guide is getting better but I must ask, based on your comment :"i take cloth 5 on any jungler i plan to gank with. vampiric scepter doesn't give enough sustain to come out of the jungle at 100% health." Have you started with a vamp sceptor in the new jungle? Past red you literally never drop below full health. I go into a gank after red with 75%+ hp on the first run through. As to your dislike of Warmog's Armor this is purely personal preference and I won't ding your guide for it but I would like to say that stacking Force of Nature on top of the Warmog's Armor will negate madreds shred and DFG nuke power, and it gives you health regen based on max health so the synergy between the two items is quite nice.

It's better, but let's think together here:

Flash is the most picked spell because it can save you from skillshots, can be used to pass through walls, WILL, most of the times, save you.

Ghost isn't as good because you can only use it to get through units, and it's rather useless since there are far too many champions with slows.

Promote is a VERY good option for characters who can backdoor quickly (sivir or maokai as example). This is why trundle doesn't benefit from it, he isn't a fast clearer, so this spell is a waste on him.

Who said that teemo and kassadin don't benefit from surge?

Hey, you have deaths on all of the games you listed, so please don't pretend you're some demigod of LoL, ok?


Other than the fact that you're pretending to be of a higher status than your readers (that's how I felt), your guide is fine.

i take cloth 5 on any jungler i plan to gank with. vampiric scepter doesn't give enough sustain to come out of the jungle at 100% health. plus, you're not able to chug a health pot when ganking if you don't have a vampiric scepter. the only jungler i do start out with a vamp scepter is warwick and that's because i just jungle till level 6 and then gank since his ganks are terrible even with red but are devastating at level 6.

i don't like warmogs on him. atmogs isn't the only way to go for big damage and high sustain. and one of the biggest reasons why i never take warmogs is because there are better items that give health. seeing a warmogs just cries out get a madreds. but atma's is viable as long as you have over 2.5k health, which is easily cleared with trinity force on trundle. but i finally got a game where i went full build with trundle and i'm going to change the guide up to what that build was since i became very unkillable

My bad, forgot to vote. Nice guide overall :)

This argument has been brought up several times between Trundle players. Why contaminate first over Pillar of Filth? I`d love to hear your opinion about it.

first off trundle needs to start with a vamp sceptor as he will never need to back if he does, second you need to put your jungle route in here- I would suggest the normal wolves blue wraiths red double golem route, and throwing a Warmog's Armor in between Trinity Force and Atma's Impaler gives you tankyness and later on better dps
with slight tweaking this is +1 material

not bad i likely play him like this ;)

Is this guide bad? nope, but it isn't really THAT good, you should ignore the troll voters IMO.

What you need here seems to be a jungle route and... dude, I know that Pillar grants vision, but:

CV doesnt cost mana
CV can be used anywhere in the map

So.... Your arguement on why not to pick it is EXACTLY what makes me feel like picking it...

Ok, so promote is useless, why is it useless?
Same on Surge, WHY is it useless?
Why is flash the best?

I just think you need to rework a little bit of it, after all, not everyone likes flash (me for example)

Jungle with a Vampiric Sceptor instead, better sustain with it and because he can clear the whole jungle(including the enemy's side, but not dragon/baron) without having to go back :D.
He is also one of the fastest junglers even without using smite, smite would be great if you choose to counter and steal buffs ;p

and you can't back it up with anything at all. clearly it works since all i do is win this build. success shows that i do nothing but win. you're ignorant.

this is terrible for trundle