Joxuu's & Finpure's Nunu carry to Platinum

[quote=Wayne3100]Thread title changed, for some reason that sent your thread to the 3d page of the Competitive Scene, will notify Matt.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]Thanks for explaining & changing the title. Yeah, well were always playing Duo Que around 1250-1300 both. At Season 3 after watching streams, we noticed that by playing well at bottom lane, we coulc carry afkish / not so good player and that's what has happend for the past 6/8 games. I'll stick around it and see where we are after 20-30 games.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]Time to continue the adventures with the new ELO system. 4 games today, 3 as support 1 as jungle. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/b2mTlZA.jpg[/IMG] I got 65 points, but Finpure got 88 from the same games ? Explain. Still happy with the results.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]kills matter? Edit: it is easily explained if your friend i placed lower, therefore, if you play the same matches, he gets more points.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]Gold Division :D 6 Matches today and I won all, including 3 division matches. [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/ipyykx.jpg[/IMG] I played 1 more game after that and I won it with 0-2-11 [[Taric]] and current LP is 52 in Gold division V[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]You're duo'ing with one hell of an ADC if you've won every single support game.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Vapora Dark] You're duo'ing with one hell of an ADC if you've won every single support game. [/quote] only stupid people think that it's impossible to carry with a support.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]So...How exactly did you go from ~1200 elo at the beginning of this thread and 1250-1300 in December to Gold now? I feel like we're missing some info here :P[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=Vapora Dark] You're duo'ing with one hell of an ADC if you've won every single support game. [/quote] only stupid people think that it's impossible to carry with a support. [/quote] You can have a big influence on the game by being very good at it. You can't [i]win[/i] the game for your team by supporting, at least not with [[nunu]]. Hell, even when I'm carrying with Talon, I can single-handedly catch out enemies and punish them with instant death, I can force objectives because I know that they can't contest it while I'm there, I can force fights I know we will win purely because I'm fed out of my mind, and even then, I still unfortunately lose more of those games than I would like. Yet, as a support you can't single-handedly catch people out and punish them so harshly, you can force objectives, but you're not really going to be a massive factor if a fight ensues, you can try and force fights, but it could be a fight you will lose, because you don't have that much influence over how fights roll out. In short, it's much harder to carry with a support than it is with a carry role. And even with carry roles, you don't always win when you're carrying. So to have won every single game as the least influential role ( which it is, even if it can be a big influence ), there has to have been some other factor. Which, I assume, is his duo queue partner, as I think he's been duo queuing with him in every game. And, to quote throatslasher: "It is well documented that raising your elo by maining support is a 100% crapshoot."[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Obviously you can't 1v5 as a support, but - YOU are the force that lets the AD-carry AA throughout a teamfight - YOU are the one responsible for global map awareness winning the game in a clutch moment - YOU are the one getting your ad-carry fed in the lane - YOU are the one who roamed mid and snowballed that lane - YOU hit the perfect engage - YOU denied the enemy vision with your pinks allowing for free dragons and picks. Saying you can't carry as a support is like saying you can't carry as amumu. You can't singlehandedly catch someone out and kill them by yourself, but through map pressence, roaming and hitting great engages you can effectively carry a game. Just because YOU suck at supporting and don't know how to influent the game through the role of a support doesn't mean that the support doesn't win games, it just means YOU don't know how to do it. But i agree on the nunu thing. Nunu can't carry for shit - picking nunu is like handing your ballz to a random ad-carry and asking them to please be nice.[/quote]