7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=sirell][quote=Cooper112] annie support wont get decent ap items till 30-40 minutes and even than its going be tops Rylai's Crystal Scepter,Frost Queen's Claim and Liandry's Torment. Its strait nerf i dont think shes good especially against a morg who she wont be able burst though her e any more. [/quote] Or like, none of those items, because [[annie]] doesn't build ANY of those items. Except maybe [[frost queen's claim]].[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=Cooper112] annie support wont get decent ap items till 30-40 minutes and even than its going be tops Rylai's Crystal Scepter,Frost Queen's Claim and Liandry's Torment. Its strait nerf i dont think shes good especially against a morg who she wont be able burst though her e any more. [/quote] [list][*]Every [[Annie]] I've ever seen has built heavy AP items such as [[Deathfire Grasp]], usually even relatively early (along with a [[Sightstone]]) [*]Even if she builds no AP at all, we're talking about 25 damage on ult, 5/10/15/20/25 damage on Q and 10/15/20/25/30 damage on W. She's still going to hurt. [/list][/quote]

[quote=Scott Azrael][quote=Cooper112]aatrox is a good champ just not in jungle he works better top lane hes fine. Also its been known for long time that Irelia is really good now its no secret that nightblue just found out its been know for 2-3 weeks.[/quote] He was still talking about [[Aatrox]] top lane and just how easily he can be kited if everything is even come late game. I was referring to the fact of how low [[Irelia]] is on this list because she is listed as low tier 3. I didn't say he just found out. I said that he made that comment. People were asking his opinion. I was surprised by just how good he thought [[Irelia]] was. I thought she would be maybe like mid to low tier 2 and the way he talked he thought she would be high tier 2(at least just going by the list).[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]IMO [[irelia]] is somewhere mid tier-2, perhaps low tier two but definitely not worthy of tier-3. The new [[teleport]] is quite strong on her because it allows you to survive tougher matchups and she also got a bit stronger because of the [[doran's shield]] nerfs in the past. Give her a small buff to her mana costs and she'll be really strong again.[/quote]

[quote=SOAC Bas]The New Kass is meh, but his laning is awful now. The changes to Q allow him to do early trades and win lane, but the loss of silence, the complete ridiculousness of giving him a serious mana return on W while forcing him to stack mana to get anything out of his Ultimate sigh. Q - Improved for trading significantly worse for wave clear W - Passive major improvement - active worthless E - Horrible for wave clear as if a champion isn't attacking you you don't get a W or it takes forever for it to fill. Ult - No AP scaling means you have to build almost like Ryze to get damage which means Void Staff gets pushed off until after ROA and or Seraphs and possibly Mallet - Ult is really bad until late game. Passive - slight improvement but not much All in all he is significantly less snowbally with no wave clear and much easier to gank post 6 but much harder to kill pre-6. So in essence he is worse than [[Akali]] now.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=SOAC Bas] Ult - No AP scaling means you have to build almost like Ryze to get damage which means Void Staff gets pushed off until after ROA and or Seraphs and possibly Mallet - Ult is really bad until late game. [/quote] I think most [[kassadin]]'s built Tear into RoA anyway. I can't tell though, I haven't seen him since season 3. In-game I mean, seen him plenty on the bans list. ;)[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=Wayne3100] [quote=Cooper112] annie support wont get decent ap items till 30-40 minutes and even than its going be tops Rylai's Crystal Scepter,Frost Queen's Claim and Liandry's Torment. Its strait nerf i dont think shes good especially against a morg who she wont be able burst though her e any more. [/quote] [list][*]Every [[Annie]] I've ever seen has built heavy AP items such as [[Deathfire Grasp]], usually even relatively early (along with a [[Sightstone]]) [*]Even if she builds no AP at all, we're talking about 25 damage on ult, 5/10/15/20/25 damage on Q and 10/15/20/25/30 damage on W. She's still going to hurt. [/list] [/quote] Basic thing still applies even if you get alot gold from support item your getting dfg at 30 minutes in game where annie mid would have 3 ap items like dfg, dc and void. Annie mid is actually pretty good with buffs to q she can farm with q and still have it up for fights nows. Im not saying annie support is horrible i just dont like it its tier 2 for me now. Its just now shes more risk less reward you need to build ap where old annie had high base dmg. Right now i would run hybird pen marks, armor yellow, flat ap blues and flat ap quints and prob 21 in offensive since you dont really need utility any more since the ap gold income item gives so much.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Enjoy playing against a leona with that setup. EQR dead.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]I looked annie up on probuilds and it seems the "tanky" build consists of Miakels, sightstone and banshees while most people finish queen's claim and add rylais, liandrys, voidstaff, dfg or multiple of these. It seems high elo players also tend to build a hefty amount of damage and build banshees specifically against leona or some other all in support that got a little too ahead xD[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=Vynertje] Enjoy playing against a leona with that setup. EQR dead. [/quote] Annie is not really tanky any way odds are your going blow up if leona all ins your with full tank items and runes. Maybe 9 off then 21 def is better.[/quote]