7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=NicknameMy]MF is all around better mid lane I think than Lucian, AD Caster style and more range as well as movement speed while returning to lane all help her being played mid. But she still has most of the problems of Lucian, which are mentioned above.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]Dunno about that one, [[lucian]] is more mobile (dash) and his wave clear is better too I think.[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust][[Lucian]] is better in terms of mobility, but I can say that [[Miss Fortune]] is better in terms of AoE damage.[/quote]

[quote=RottedApples][quote=TheSilverDust][[Lucian]] is better in terms of mobility, but I can say that [[Miss Fortune]] is better in terms of AoE damage.[/quote] unless you are going ap mf, lucian is still better at waveclear to a point. (he still is shorter range i think)[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Both are still inferior for midlane tho, unless you play AP MF (which isn't that strong since her ult no longer deals magic damage)[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=NicknameMy]Both are still inferior for midlane tho, unless you play AP MF (which isn't that strong since her ult no longer deals magic damage)[/quote] I'm going to give you +rep because this is probably the most, maybe only, sensical thing I've ever seen you post[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Thoughts about [[ashe]] with the new [[youmuu's ghostblade]] + [[the black cleaver]] build? Helps her rather weak earlygame and she benefits a lot from it because of her rather high AD ratios. Same for [[Tristana]], she also benefits a lot from it because of armor penetration now applying on turrets.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][quote=NicknameMy]Thoughts about [[ashe]] with the new [[youmuu's ghostblade]] + [[the black cleaver]] build? Helps her rather weak earlygame and she benefits a lot from it because of her rather high AD ratios. Same for [[Tristana]], she also benefits a lot from it because of armor penetration now applying on turrets.[/quote] Youmuu's > no Imo she benefits more from having that IE + Runaan's in the early and then going for BC.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The problem of crit bulds atm is tho, that everyone who goes for it will be in a disatvantage to champions which go the Youmuu's build. Crit builds are only usefull for 2+ items, on some adc's even 3. And since games end rather quickly and are decided early these days, [[ashe]]/[[tristana]] would have no place in the meta as champions like [[lucian]] and [[miss fortune]] just crush her in lane. Of course, if you reach those items, the crit build is stronger but at that point the game might be already over. At least that is what happened for me lately. Of course, if you expect a long game and that you can hold the lane against those champions plus you can fight the full armor stacking top laners without any armorpen items until the 3/4 item, crit is the way to go.[/quote]

[quote=RottedApples]i've been a fan of Black Cleaver on ashe for a long time in replacement of last whisper items, even back before the ad itemization changes. Her q lets her fully stack it on any target in basically one auto. As for ghostblade i doubt it but i might still give it a try.[/quote]