7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=H4xDefender] kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] Glad I'm not alone on that thought. I find it confusing that I still hardly see her being banned, I always shudder when the enemy team picks one. @Sirell: Yeah, is it me or is it almost like every week = patch? oO[/quote]

[quote=NateDog13][quote=H4xDefender] As far as scaling for the meta tops atm it goes Jax > Shyvana > Trundle > Lulu > Irelia > Renekton not sure where ryze is since nobody is really playing him top atm. Just finished overhauling everything... feel free to ask questions again about placements. After this recent update, I feel like this list is as accurate as its ever been. Feel free to disagree though, thats what this thread is all about. [b]To specific people:[/b] Gragas support is meh. it falls off really really hard if you dont get ahead and he is pretty easy to counterplay later on since he does no damage and his cc is weird yorick jungle is awful dont ever do it lol talon and rengar don't feel assassin nerfs as much because they kill fast. zed, ahri, and to a lesser extent fizz take more time to 100-0 squishies kha'zix is gonna need a lot of testing. jungle mains i talk to are conflicted on whether he'll still be ok, ill just play him and see, nerfs seem pretty bad on paper though. rengar is super overrated kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] I would put Ryze either before or after lulu, maybe even as far up as before trundle? He's got a wicked sick early game, and he doesnt really stop hurting in damage. His late game isn't as superb, but he can sure as hell wreck some carries while still holding quite a bit of beefiness.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=NateDog13] [quote=H4xDefender] As far as scaling for the meta tops atm it goes Jax > Shyvana > Trundle > Lulu > Irelia > Renekton not sure where ryze is since nobody is really playing him top atm. Just finished overhauling everything... feel free to ask questions again about placements. After this recent update, I feel like this list is as accurate as its ever been. Feel free to disagree though, thats what this thread is all about. [b]To specific people:[/b] Gragas support is meh. it falls off really really hard if you dont get ahead and he is pretty easy to counterplay later on since he does no damage and his cc is weird yorick jungle is awful dont ever do it lol talon and rengar don't feel assassin nerfs as much because they kill fast. zed, ahri, and to a lesser extent fizz take more time to 100-0 squishies kha'zix is gonna need a lot of testing. jungle mains i talk to are conflicted on whether he'll still be ok, ill just play him and see, nerfs seem pretty bad on paper though. rengar is super overrated kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] I would put Ryze either before or after lulu, maybe even as far up as before trundle? He's got a wicked sick early game, and he doesnt really stop hurting in damage. His late game isn't as superb, but he can sure as hell wreck some carries while still holding quite a bit of beefiness. [/quote] wat. Ryze has always been one of the strongest late-game carries, his problem when he was played mid lane was his weak early game as he lost lane to all the popular champs. After his last buff people discovered Ryze top lane where he's actually a very strong laner too. The fact that he's become a strong laner doesn't mean his late game isn't still retardedly good, it's the best part about the champion. A lot of people are crying for nerfs, and they're not wrong to do so. A late-game hypercarry shouldn't counter everyone in his lane.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=NateDog13] [quote=H4xDefender] As far as scaling for the meta tops atm it goes Jax > Shyvana > Trundle > Lulu > Irelia > Renekton not sure where ryze is since nobody is really playing him top atm. Just finished overhauling everything... feel free to ask questions again about placements. After this recent update, I feel like this list is as accurate as its ever been. Feel free to disagree though, thats what this thread is all about. [b]To specific people:[/b] Gragas support is meh. it falls off really really hard if you dont get ahead and he is pretty easy to counterplay later on since he does no damage and his cc is weird yorick jungle is awful dont ever do it lol talon and rengar don't feel assassin nerfs as much because they kill fast. zed, ahri, and to a lesser extent fizz take more time to 100-0 squishies kha'zix is gonna need a lot of testing. jungle mains i talk to are conflicted on whether he'll still be ok, ill just play him and see, nerfs seem pretty bad on paper though. rengar is super overrated kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] I would put Ryze either before or after lulu, maybe even as far up as before trundle? He's got a wicked sick early game, and he doesnt really stop hurting in damage. His late game isn't as superb, but he can sure as hell wreck some carries while still holding quite a bit of beefiness. [/quote] wat. Ryze has always been one of the strongest late-game carries, his problem when he was played mid lane was his weak early game as he lost lane to all the popular champs. After his last buff people discovered Ryze top lane where he's actually a very strong laner too. The fact that he's become a strong laner doesn't mean his late game isn't still retardedly good, it's the best part about the champion. A lot of people are crying for nerfs, and they're not wrong to do so. A late-game hypercarry shouldn't counter everyone in his lane. [/quote] DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS Seriously though, I don't really see a way to nerf top [[ryze]] that doesn't affect mid [[ryze]].[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]The thing with Ryze top is that it tends to get shit on by laneswaps because he can't jungle or waveclear.[/quote]

[quote=NateDog13][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=NateDog13] [quote=H4xDefender] As far as scaling for the meta tops atm it goes Jax > Shyvana > Trundle > Lulu > Irelia > Renekton not sure where ryze is since nobody is really playing him top atm. Just finished overhauling everything... feel free to ask questions again about placements. After this recent update, I feel like this list is as accurate as its ever been. Feel free to disagree though, thats what this thread is all about. [b]To specific people:[/b] Gragas support is meh. it falls off really really hard if you dont get ahead and he is pretty easy to counterplay later on since he does no damage and his cc is weird yorick jungle is awful dont ever do it lol talon and rengar don't feel assassin nerfs as much because they kill fast. zed, ahri, and to a lesser extent fizz take more time to 100-0 squishies kha'zix is gonna need a lot of testing. jungle mains i talk to are conflicted on whether he'll still be ok, ill just play him and see, nerfs seem pretty bad on paper though. rengar is super overrated kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] I would put Ryze either before or after lulu, maybe even as far up as before trundle? He's got a wicked sick early game, and he doesnt really stop hurting in damage. His late game isn't as superb, but he can sure as hell wreck some carries while still holding quite a bit of beefiness. [/quote] wat. Ryze has always been one of the strongest late-game carries, his problem when he was played mid lane was his weak early game as he lost lane to all the popular champs. After his last buff people discovered Ryze top lane where he's actually a very strong laner too. The fact that he's become a strong laner doesn't mean his late game isn't still retardedly good, it's the best part about the champion. A lot of people are crying for nerfs, and they're not wrong to do so. A late-game hypercarry shouldn't counter everyone in his lane. [/quote] I'm a bit lost on where your "wat" is coming from, Ryze compared to Jax and Shyvana doesn't make as large of an impact overall late game, and his scaling, while able to go toe to toe with them, definitely isn't above them. I think I gave him a pretty fair guestimation range of placement. Placing Ryze at the #1 spot above Jax would be absolutely insane, and I'd argue that even #2 or #3 would be a hard spot for him to hold.[/quote]

[quote=emoriam][[Irelia]] in Tier 1, my life is about to end ...[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]what about [[pantheon]] top?[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=NateDog13] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=NateDog13] [quote=H4xDefender] As far as scaling for the meta tops atm it goes Jax > Shyvana > Trundle > Lulu > Irelia > Renekton not sure where ryze is since nobody is really playing him top atm. Just finished overhauling everything... feel free to ask questions again about placements. After this recent update, I feel like this list is as accurate as its ever been. Feel free to disagree though, thats what this thread is all about. [b]To specific people:[/b] Gragas support is meh. it falls off really really hard if you dont get ahead and he is pretty easy to counterplay later on since he does no damage and his cc is weird yorick jungle is awful dont ever do it lol talon and rengar don't feel assassin nerfs as much because they kill fast. zed, ahri, and to a lesser extent fizz take more time to 100-0 squishies kha'zix is gonna need a lot of testing. jungle mains i talk to are conflicted on whether he'll still be ok, ill just play him and see, nerfs seem pretty bad on paper though. rengar is super overrated kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] I would put Ryze either before or after lulu, maybe even as far up as before trundle? He's got a wicked sick early game, and he doesnt really stop hurting in damage. His late game isn't as superb, but he can sure as hell wreck some carries while still holding quite a bit of beefiness. [/quote] wat. Ryze has always been one of the strongest late-game carries, his problem when he was played mid lane was his weak early game as he lost lane to all the popular champs. After his last buff people discovered Ryze top lane where he's actually a very strong laner too. The fact that he's become a strong laner doesn't mean his late game isn't still retardedly good, it's the best part about the champion. A lot of people are crying for nerfs, and they're not wrong to do so. A late-game hypercarry shouldn't counter everyone in his lane. [/quote] I'm a bit lost on where your "wat" is coming from, Ryze compared to Jax and Shyvana doesn't make as large of an impact overall late game, and his scaling, while able to go toe to toe with them, definitely isn't above them. I think I gave him a pretty fair guestimation range of placement. Placing Ryze at the #1 spot above Jax would be absolutely insane, and I'd argue that even #2 or #3 would be a hard spot for him to hold. [/quote] Because you said his late-game "isn't as superb" as his laning phase, which is ridiculous. And I would argue Jax is the only top laner who outscales Ryze.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=NateDog13] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=NateDog13] [quote=H4xDefender] As far as scaling for the meta tops atm it goes Jax > Shyvana > Trundle > Lulu > Irelia > Renekton not sure where ryze is since nobody is really playing him top atm. Just finished overhauling everything... feel free to ask questions again about placements. After this recent update, I feel like this list is as accurate as its ever been. Feel free to disagree though, thats what this thread is all about. [b]To specific people:[/b] Gragas support is meh. it falls off really really hard if you dont get ahead and he is pretty easy to counterplay later on since he does no damage and his cc is weird yorick jungle is awful dont ever do it lol talon and rengar don't feel assassin nerfs as much because they kill fast. zed, ahri, and to a lesser extent fizz take more time to 100-0 squishies kha'zix is gonna need a lot of testing. jungle mains i talk to are conflicted on whether he'll still be ok, ill just play him and see, nerfs seem pretty bad on paper though. rengar is super overrated kayle is a retardedly powerful hero who should never have been created [/quote] I would put Ryze either before or after lulu, maybe even as far up as before trundle? He's got a wicked sick early game, and he doesnt really stop hurting in damage. His late game isn't as superb, but he can sure as hell wreck some carries while still holding quite a bit of beefiness. [/quote] wat. Ryze has always been one of the strongest late-game carries, his problem when he was played mid lane was his weak early game as he lost lane to all the popular champs. After his last buff people discovered Ryze top lane where he's actually a very strong laner too. The fact that he's become a strong laner doesn't mean his late game isn't still retardedly good, it's the best part about the champion. A lot of people are crying for nerfs, and they're not wrong to do so. A late-game hypercarry shouldn't counter everyone in his lane. [/quote] I'm a bit lost on where your "wat" is coming from, Ryze compared to Jax and Shyvana doesn't make as large of an impact overall late game, and his scaling, while able to go toe to toe with them, definitely isn't above them. I think I gave him a pretty fair guestimation range of placement. Placing Ryze at the #1 spot above Jax would be absolutely insane, and I'd argue that even #2 or #3 would be a hard spot for him to hold. [/quote] Because you said his late-game "isn't as superb" as his laning phase, which is ridiculous. And I would argue Jax is the only top laner who outscales Ryze. [/quote] Nasus outscales everything.[/quote]