A Flash Free Season Three!

[quote=Darcurse][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=Darcurse] You can't do a certain action without using Flash for retreat -> bad play. [/quote] So getting first blood in almost every single game i'm against a weak jungler is me playing badly.. rightoo.. [/quote] "Not that I discourage aggressive playstyle/using Flash aggressively, but that's where one of Flash's OP bad sides comes into play: Using Health/Ghost/etc. wouldn't save your ass at this point 99% of time if the enemy knows how to CC you, only Flash makes this possible." Readig | | Polse [size=1](The two lines above display the intersection...)[/size][/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Luther3000] ^ Tl;dr. :P [/quote] Fk dat, I can't even remember what I posted now! No way am I re-reading that to summarize it for you lazy-bums! >:([/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=Darcurse] You can't do a certain action without using Flash for retreat -> bad play. [/quote] So getting first blood in almost every single game i'm against a weak jungler is me playing badly.. rightoo.. [/quote] I'm not sure what this means lol.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] Don't even try Pølse. People have tried explaining that already. GMD refuses to understand that. [/quote] You cant read or you refuse to? I never said Flash prevents ballzy plays. I said it encourages stupid play which is something I do not like. [/quote] I don't really see how it encourages stupid play? It's on a long cooldown. If you loose flash you either made a stupid play or a ballzy play, but you weren't encouraged to do the stupid play due to having flash, you just lost your escape spell, will probably loose out on farm because of it and will definately loose out on trades and harrass. How was the stupid player ever encouraged for such a situation to happen? [/quote] Because you can make the most stupid decisions but it doesn't matter since you can just undo it with a single press on your F or D key! You could counterjungle the enemy blue without any vision and whilst attacking the golem you get caught... np [[Flash]]! The counterjungle itself was a stupid idea but you can fix your stupidity with [[Flash]]. [/quote] The counterjungle was a risk you took, it would've been good if you got away with it. I myself solo-invade the enemy red often as both shaco and olaf and mostly get away with it(and firstblood) does that make it a bad play since i need flash for it to work on the olaf? if it does then i'm the worst jungler out there because everytime my flash is up i solo-invade all-day erryday. It's a risk-reward system where flash lowers the cap of when making a play will be more rewarding than risky. But i quess i'm just a baddie for solo-invading. I see that more as a ballzy play than a stupid one. But i quess my ballz are just my lack of brain. Edit: the example you give is exactly one of the situations where flash promoted agressive play since without flash he would've not done it due to the sole risk of dying. [/quote] Proper warding and map awareness would've solved your problem. Invading without vision is stupid no matter what kind of term you like to use for it. If you use ballzy as synonym for stupid then yeah, it was ballzy play. People often mistake stupidty for bravery. Willing to take a risk makes a good player; exploiting a low risk/reward ratio makes a great player. [/quote] So tell me. How do you use "proper warding and map awareness" as olaf invading an amumu at red lvl 3 to save your butt? even with proper wards having the whole fucking jungle warded, YOU'RE FUCKED without flash if the top and mid comes for you and your lane-mates don't respond. You don't even need a ward to tell that the Cassio and jayce is heading your way, you just know it so you kill the mummy and flash the baron wall as quickly as humanly possible. It's a good play(gives first blood almost everytime) and it's also an agressive play(which is what you n riot want, rite?).[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]"Not that I discourage aggressive playstyle/using Flash aggressively, but that's where one of Flash's OP bad sides comes into play: Using Health/Ghost/etc. wouldn't save your ass at this point 99% of time if the enemy knows how to CC you, only Flash makes this possible." P.S. I know I quoted this earlier, but in my last post I exlpained why I have to do it again.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] Don't even try Pølse. People have tried explaining that already. GMD refuses to understand that. [/quote] You cant read or you refuse to? I never said Flash prevents ballzy plays. I said it encourages stupid play which is something I do not like. [/quote] I don't really see how it encourages stupid play? It's on a long cooldown. If you loose flash you either made a stupid play or a ballzy play, but you weren't encouraged to do the stupid play due to having flash, you just lost your escape spell, will probably loose out on farm because of it and will definately loose out on trades and harrass. How was the stupid player ever encouraged for such a situation to happen? [/quote] Because you can make the most stupid decisions but it doesn't matter since you can just undo it with a single press on your F or D key! You could counterjungle the enemy blue without any vision and whilst attacking the golem you get caught... np [[Flash]]! The counterjungle itself was a stupid idea but you can fix your stupidity with [[Flash]]. [/quote] The counterjungle was a risk you took, it would've been good if you got away with it. I myself solo-invade the enemy red often as both shaco and olaf and mostly get away with it(and firstblood) does that make it a bad play since i need flash for it to work on the olaf? if it does then i'm the worst jungler out there because everytime my flash is up i solo-invade all-day erryday. It's a risk-reward system where flash lowers the cap of when making a play will be more rewarding than risky. But i quess i'm just a baddie for solo-invading. I see that more as a ballzy play than a stupid one. But i quess my ballz are just my lack of brain. Edit: the example you give is exactly one of the situations where flash promoted agressive play since without flash he would've not done it due to the sole risk of dying. [/quote] Proper warding and map awareness would've solved your problem. Invading without vision is stupid no matter what kind of term you like to use for it. If you use ballzy as synonym for stupid then yeah, it was ballzy play. People often mistake stupidty for bravery. Willing to take a risk makes a good player; exploiting a low risk/reward ratio makes a great player. [/quote] So tell me. How do you use "proper warding and map awareness" as olaf invading an amumu at red lvl 3 to save your butt? even with proper wards having the whole fucking jungle warded, YOU'RE FUCKED without flash if the top and mid comes for you and your lane-mates don't respond. You don't even need a ward to tell that the Cassio and jayce is heading your way, you just know it so you kill the mummy and flash the baron wall as quickly as humanly possible. It's a good play(gives first blood almost everytime) and it's also an agressive play(which is what you n riot want, rite?). [/quote] What self-respecting [[Olaf]] player is using [[Flash]] instead of [[Ghost]]?!?! P.S. You really should work on your punctuation. Not hating but your post are sometimes a pain to read.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Luther3000] ^ Tl;dr. :P [/quote] Fk dat, I can't even remember what I posted now! No way am I re-reading that to summarize it for you lazy-bums! >:( [/quote] I actually did read it anyway. :P[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Luther3000] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Luther3000] ^ Tl;dr. :P [/quote] Fk dat, I can't even remember what I posted now! No way am I re-reading that to summarize it for you lazy-bums! >:( [/quote] I actually did read it anyway. :P [/quote] Good Guy Luther[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] Don't even try Pølse. People have tried explaining that already. GMD refuses to understand that. [/quote] You cant read or you refuse to? I never said Flash prevents ballzy plays. I said it encourages stupid play which is something I do not like. [/quote] I don't really see how it encourages stupid play? It's on a long cooldown. If you loose flash you either made a stupid play or a ballzy play, but you weren't encouraged to do the stupid play due to having flash, you just lost your escape spell, will probably loose out on farm because of it and will definately loose out on trades and harrass. How was the stupid player ever encouraged for such a situation to happen? [/quote] Because you can make the most stupid decisions but it doesn't matter since you can just undo it with a single press on your F or D key! You could counterjungle the enemy blue without any vision and whilst attacking the golem you get caught... np [[Flash]]! The counterjungle itself was a stupid idea but you can fix your stupidity with [[Flash]]. [/quote] The counterjungle was a risk you took, it would've been good if you got away with it. I myself solo-invade the enemy red often as both shaco and olaf and mostly get away with it(and firstblood) does that make it a bad play since i need flash for it to work on the olaf? if it does then i'm the worst jungler out there because everytime my flash is up i solo-invade all-day erryday. It's a risk-reward system where flash lowers the cap of when making a play will be more rewarding than risky. But i quess i'm just a baddie for solo-invading. I see that more as a ballzy play than a stupid one. But i quess my ballz are just my lack of brain. Edit: the example you give is exactly one of the situations where flash promoted agressive play since without flash he would've not done it due to the sole risk of dying. [/quote] Proper warding and map awareness would've solved your problem. Invading without vision is stupid no matter what kind of term you like to use for it. If you use ballzy as synonym for stupid then yeah, it was ballzy play. People often mistake stupidty for bravery. Willing to take a risk makes a good player; exploiting a low risk/reward ratio makes a great player. [/quote] So tell me. How do you use "proper warding and map awareness" as olaf invading an amumu at red lvl 3 to save your butt? even with proper wards having the whole fucking jungle warded, YOU'RE FUCKED without flash if the top and mid comes for you and your lane-mates don't respond. You don't even need a ward to tell that the Cassio and jayce is heading your way, you just know it so you kill the mummy and flash the baron wall as quickly as humanly possible. It's a good play(gives first blood almost everytime) and it's also an agressive play(which is what you n riot want, rite?). [/quote] What self-respecting [[Olaf]] player is using [[Flash]] instead of [[Ghost]]?!?! P.S. You really should work on your punctuation. Not hating but your post are sometimes a pain to read. [/quote] Sorray, will work on it. Saintvicious uses flash on olaf, as do I. @darcurse, what i don't get is: WHY is it a bad side that flash opens up for new levels of agression?[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] Don't even try Pølse. People have tried explaining that already. GMD refuses to understand that. [/quote] You cant read or you refuse to? I never said Flash prevents ballzy plays. I said it encourages stupid play which is something I do not like. [/quote] I don't really see how it encourages stupid play? It's on a long cooldown. If you loose flash you either made a stupid play or a ballzy play, but you weren't encouraged to do the stupid play due to having flash, you just lost your escape spell, will probably loose out on farm because of it and will definately loose out on trades and harrass. How was the stupid player ever encouraged for such a situation to happen? [/quote] Because you can make the most stupid decisions but it doesn't matter since you can just undo it with a single press on your F or D key! You could counterjungle the enemy blue without any vision and whilst attacking the golem you get caught... np [[Flash]]! The counterjungle itself was a stupid idea but you can fix your stupidity with [[Flash]]. [/quote] The counterjungle was a risk you took, it would've been good if you got away with it. I myself solo-invade the enemy red often as both shaco and olaf and mostly get away with it(and firstblood) does that make it a bad play since i need flash for it to work on the olaf? if it does then i'm the worst jungler out there because everytime my flash is up i solo-invade all-day erryday. It's a risk-reward system where flash lowers the cap of when making a play will be more rewarding than risky. But i quess i'm just a baddie for solo-invading. I see that more as a ballzy play than a stupid one. But i quess my ballz are just my lack of brain. Edit: the example you give is exactly one of the situations where flash promoted agressive play since without flash he would've not done it due to the sole risk of dying. [/quote] Proper warding and map awareness would've solved your problem. Invading without vision is stupid no matter what kind of term you like to use for it. If you use ballzy as synonym for stupid then yeah, it was ballzy play. People often mistake stupidty for bravery. Willing to take a risk makes a good player; exploiting a low risk/reward ratio makes a great player. [/quote] So tell me. How do you use "proper warding and map awareness" as olaf invading an amumu at red lvl 3 to save your butt? even with proper wards having the whole fucking jungle warded, YOU'RE FUCKED without flash if the top and mid comes for you and your lane-mates don't respond. You don't even need a ward to tell that the Cassio and jayce is heading your way, you just know it so you kill the mummy and flash the baron wall as quickly as humanly possible. It's a good play(gives first blood almost everytime) and it's also an agressive play(which is what you n riot want, rite?). [/quote] What self-respecting [[Olaf]] player is using [[Flash]] instead of [[Ghost]]?!?! P.S. You really should work on your punctuation. Not hating but your post are sometimes a pain to read. [/quote] Sorray, will work on it. Saintvicious uses flash on olaf, as do I. @darcurse, what i don't get is: WHY is it a bad side that flash opens up for new levels of agression? [/quote] Well apart from that. You can inform your teammates that you are going to invade so that they are prepared. If they are informed of this, they should be able to hold up their laners so you can escape safely. If you kill the amumu, it will be a 3v2 anyway; something they will not risk. If your teammates aren't responding or aren't doing what they are supposed to do then [[Flash]] made up for [b]their[/b] bad play, not yours. But it still made up for bad play. EDIT: To quote the Saintvicious guide on LoLpro (just updated) [quote] [h2]Ghost[/h2]Ghost works great on Olaf because when Olaf uses his Ultimate and Ghost together, he will literally be a monster truck and won't be able to be stopped. He will be immune to CC and outrun every champion so he will be able to focus the enemy's AP/AD Carry easily, and even kill them. [h2]Flash[/h2]Flash is okay on Olaf, but not that great. It can be used in offensive and defensive ways, like it can help you escape by flashing over terrain, or chase by flashing in and getting the last auto attack. Ghost and Flash differ in many ways and are both useful in different situations, but Ghost is much better on Olaf in my opinion because it goes extremely well with his Ultimate.[/quote][/quote]