A Flash Free Season Three!

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=FalseoGod] By the way, something that was mentioned as a potential nerf target but nothing happened yet was [[oracle's elixir]]. I find it stupidly toxic :/ [/quote] It is toxic, horrible mechanic in the game.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=Luther3000] ur crazy [/quote][/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Temzilla] Why not make it an innate spell that everyone has? [/quote] That is pretty much the case these days.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=GrandmasterD] I think the best options are: [list] [*] Put it in an item. [*] Give it around 1 sec casting time. [*] Can only be used when not taking damage. [*] Silence the user afterwards for 0.5 seconds. [*] Turn it into a Dash. [/list] [/quote] I would never buy this. You might as well use [[Crowstorm]] as an escape mechanism. Honestly if Riot wants to see more spell alternatives to Flash, they should buff or change other spells and increase Flash's CD. Flash is at a really good range at the moment, it just needs to be costly to use.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Temzilla] [quote=GrandmasterD] @Hyogetaki Hisame: As you can read I have covered the offensive [[Flash]] as well and I still think [[Flash]] should at least be converted into an item. Champions who are fairly dependent on [[Flash]] should be compensated. Actually, as a player who mains [[Xerath]], I don't consider [[Flash]] to be 100% necessary. Offensive [[Flash]]es are never done on him and you shouldn't be in bad positions anyway. [/quote] You realize that if you make flash an item, nothing will change, and everyone will buy it. And if it's overly expensive, only those who NEED to buy it will be punished. If it's not super expensive, your amumu's and such will still be able to be super op and flash ulti you. [/quote] [[Flash]] will actually have a negative effect then, similar to Quicksilver.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=GrandmasterD] I think the best options are: [list] [*] Put it in an item. [*] Give it around 1 sec casting time. [*] Can only be used when not taking damage. [*] Silence the user afterwards for 0.5 seconds. [*] Turn it into a Dash. [/list] [/quote] I would never buy this. You might as well use [[Crowstorm]] as an escape mechanism. [/quote] That actually has a channel time; excellent. Also, using Crowstorm or die? It is a tradeoff. Using [[Flash]] has no negative effects and it counters about everything in the game.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=GrandmasterD] That actually has a channel time; excellent. Also, using Crowstorm or die? It is a tradeoff. Using [[Flash]] has no negative effects and it counters about everything in the game. [/quote] You can still use [[Noxian Guillotine]] as they flash tho, it feels so outrageous :') They could make damage take priority over flash, meaning that any damage and CC effects that hit you while you flash will still hit and take effect, but only proper CC (stun, snare, charm) would cancel the blink. It wouldn't be as "outrageous" as [i]damage cancels flash[/i] but it'd make sense and still count as a proper nerf.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=FalseoGod] [quote=GrandmasterD] That actually has a channel time; excellent. Also, using Crowstorm or die? It is a tradeoff. Using [[Flash]] has no negative effects and it counters about everything in the game. [/quote] You can still use [[Noxian Guillotine]] as they flash tho, it feels so outrageous :') They could make damage take priority over flash, meaning that any damage and CC effects that hit you while you flash will still hit and take effect, but only proper CC (stun, snare, charm) would cancel the blink. It wouldn't be as "outrageous" as [i]damage cancels flash[/i] but it'd make sense and still count as a proper nerf. [/quote] I think that + silencing the user for 0.5 sec after the [[Flash]] would make it balanced. The silence should allow other players be able to respond to it and then it cannot be chained instantly with other spells.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=GrandmasterD] I think the best options are: [list] [*] Put it in an item. [*] Give it around 1 sec casting time. [*] Can only be used when not taking damage. [*] Silence the user afterwards for 0.5 seconds. [*] Turn it into a Dash. [/list] [/quote] I would never buy this. You might as well use [[Crowstorm]] as an escape mechanism. Honestly if Riot wants to see more spell alternatives to Flash, they should buff or change other spells and increase Flash's CD. Flash is at a really good range at the moment, it just needs to be costly to use. [/quote] This argument is as old as dirt. They can nerf flash, or buff the other summoners. The problem with buffing the other summoners is that it will make some champions insanely op.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=GrandmasterD][[Flash]] will actually have a negative effect then, similar to Quicksilver. [/quote] Do you not get that having an item as flash is entirely more toxic than flash itself? [quote=GrandmasterD]I think that + silencing the user for 0.5 sec after the Flash would make it balanced. The silence should allow other players be able to respond to it and then it cannot be chained instantly with other spells.[/quote] This actually makes flash a WAY bigger "get out of fail free" card, and a much weaker aggressive tool.[/quote]