AP junglers?

[quote=Nighthawk]Gragas.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Xenasis]The only truly viable in high elo ones are Fiddles and Cho, however. [/quote] Basically. Karthus is better in mid, and alters his build pretty harshly in order to jungle properly. And Maokai just isn't used enough as a jungler (ususally solo lane) to judge his performance in high elo. Fiddlesticks and Cho'Gath perform consistently well though. Cho'Gath is also usually a solo lane, but his jungle control is really good, so he can't be faulted to heavily for being jungled.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Nighthawk] Gragas. [/quote] He's a strong AP champ, but I think he performs better solo top. Certainly viable in the jungle though.[/quote]

[quote=Mazuran]Master Yi...?[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Not Ap.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=Nighthawk] Gragas. [/quote] He's a strong AP champ, but I think he performs better solo top. Certainly viable in the jungle though. [/quote] As an AD :s His runes are very strict for a 3:50 time, and with a sustained route he has a ~4:30 time. Also, his ganks are pretty bad. Not to mention he is much more effective as an AP in mid/top.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Gragas' ganks aren't that bad. Pre-6 you rely on [[Body Slam]] and red buff for CC, post-6 you have your ult, which is pretty effective if used properly. You just have to have [[Drunken Rage]] up when you gank. I find his ganks to be better than Warwick pre-6 and a little bit worse post-6. Strict runes aren't great, but they don't make him less viable. I do agree that he's better off solo laning. He doesn't quite have Cho'Gath's jungle speed+sustain+counter jungling skills for jungling to be worth it.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]AP Gragas works in the jungle, not sure what your saying Tem. The only requirement Gragas has is his skilling order which you could call AD. He doesn't really need specific runes a ton either tbh.[/quote]

[quote=Mazuran][quote=Nighthawk] Not Ap. [/quote] I don't see why he shouldn't be... Alpha Strike wrecks neutrals, especially with a bit of AP behind it. Pretty decent nuke vs. other champions, too. Only problem I can see is he has no in-built CC, so ganks aren't as easy/good.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Because he's a billion times better as AD.[/quote]